Planet Rock's Fantasy Band https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t2031 Runboard| Planet Rock's Fantasy Band en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:26:42 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:26:42 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37717,from=rss#post37717https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37717,from=rss#post37717quote:Niko Vidgren wrote: Bonham sucks. That's my politically incorrect answer. The teenager inside me just had to say that, sorry. But seriously, I have never understood the fuss about Bonham, I think he was mediocre at best. Hard-hitting, yes, but mediocre still. He just had luck ending up in Led Zeppelin. That's my two cents. I'm far more confused about Page considered as one of the best guitarists ever, and a guitar hero. His solo in Stairway is truly a great one, and he did great riffs and plays acoustic very well, but listen to his solos in general, especially live. Pretty dire stuff at times - for a guitar hero, that is. I really like Bonham's playing. Jones was probably the most creative of the band (and a very good player), but as a player, JB is the best of the band, for me. What a touch and sound he had, very tight. The later heavy metal drummers should have learned a bit of that from him (and Paicey, of course). Not just thunderous noise there. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rezi)Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:12:23 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37716,from=rss#post37716https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37716,from=rss#post37716 John 'The Beast' Bonham...very,very good drummer; one of the most powerful - which does count for a lot when discussing drummers, I'd imagine...deserving of a place in the 'Top 10 Drummers of All Time' ? Possibly. The #1 position. No. In the 'Top 25 Drummers of All Time' ? Yes, definitely.  One reason(s) for my hesitancy going all out for Bonham is the same that's pretty much always kept me from being an all-out 'ZepHead' - the band's and it's individual members' wildly varying degrees of consistency...when Zep was bad - they were absolutely awful, nearly unlistenable. In all the years I attended rock concerts, I'd be hard pressed to name a 'Big Name' band that could be so bad at times...granted, they were only really bad 2 or 3 times out of the 7 or 8 times I attended a Zep Show.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MrEd45)Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:40:21 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37715,from=rss#post37715https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37715,from=rss#post37715Bonham sucks. That's my politically incorrect answer. The teenager inside me just had to say that, sorry. But seriously, I have never understood the fuss about Bonham, I think he was mediocre at best. Hard-hitting, yes, but mediocre still. He just had luck ending up in Led Zeppelin. That's my two cents.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Niko Vidgren)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:21:30 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37714,from=rss#post37714https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37714,from=rss#post37714quote:Rahul wrote: Does playing the most complicated stuff constitute you as being the best musician? It certainly doesn't when we argue about guitarists. No if you want pure loud heavyness people like Bonzo and Cozy are your first adress. If you want demanding stuff and people who make their drums sing listen to Jon Hiseman or Bill Bruford. Neil Young is an average guitar player at best in a pure technical sense. But god, do I love what he gets out of Old Black! But if you look above we were purely comparing them in a technical sense and who plays the more complicated stuff, this wasn´t an argument who is "the best" afterall.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Milan Fahrnholz)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:41:31 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37713,from=rss#post37713https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37713,from=rss#post37713Does playing the most complicated stuff constitute you as being the best musician? It certainly doesn't when we argue about guitarists.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rahul)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:23 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37712,from=rss#post37712https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37712,from=rss#post37712quote:JoshXR wrote: In John Bonham's defense, listen to Achilles Last Stand. What a masterpiece of drumming work. Not even Paicey's Burn drumming can beat that. Yeah that´s great drumming, but that´s due to it´s heaviness not because it´s a complicated rythmic at all. The verses of Burn must be one of Paicy´s best moments ever.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Milan Fahrnholz)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:01:29 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37711,from=rss#post37711https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37711,from=rss#post37711quote:JoshXR wrote: In John Bonham's defense, listen to Achilles Last Stand. What a masterpiece of drumming work. Not even Paicey's Burn drumming can beat that. Yeah, but Burn is a superior song and the drumming fits it perfectly. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rezi)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:08:23 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37710,from=rss#post37710https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37710,from=rss#post37710In John Bonham's defense, listen to Achilles Last Stand. What a masterpiece of drumming work. Not even Paicey's Burn drumming can beat that.nondisclosed_email@example.com (JoshXR)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:14:18 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37709,from=rss#post37709https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37709,from=rss#post37709quote:JFM wrote: Why is Simon Phillips never mentioned in these polls? ...and where's Sinead O'Connor in the vocalist section?. nondisclosed_email@example.com (RitchiesHair)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:27:45 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37708,from=rss#post37708https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37708,from=rss#post37708Why is Simon Phillips never mentioned in these polls? He was never a regular member of any famous band , er... not that I know of anyway. Perhaps that's it. In either case, he guarantees good drumming. --- jfm (who is not a drummer, so what do i know) nondisclosed_email@example.com (JFM)Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:25:39 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37707,from=rss#post37707https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37707,from=rss#post37707Screw this Bonham VS. Paice debate, it´s a travesty that anyone else but Jon Hiseman takes the number one slot anyway! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Milan Fahrnholz)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:32:15 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37706,from=rss#post37706https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37706,from=rss#post37706Back to topic.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:53:41 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37705,from=rss#post37705https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37705,from=rss#post37705Nice. When you've calmed down, please tell me in what way I am glorifying the death of a rock star. Is English your first language?nondisclosed_email@example.com (scarabus)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:50:44 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37704,from=rss#post37704https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37704,from=rss#post37704quote:scarabus wrote: No it's not. Please don't go emo on us, or take your sixth-form sensibilities over to a Nirvana board. Stuff that, you bighead. YOU are glorifying the death of a rockstar in a featherbrained kind, and tell ME about teenage nonsense?? Come clean!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:43:57 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37703,from=rss#post37703https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37703,from=rss#post37703Or using the rhythm method...nondisclosed_email@example.com (scarabus)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:09:55 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37702,from=rss#post37702https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37702,from=rss#post37702quote:Milan Fahrnholz wrote:  while they play Kashmire in their sleep. They must be single! Bob nondisclosed_email@example.com (unchained)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:46:35 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37701,from=rss#post37701https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37701,from=rss#post37701quote:Carramba wrote: Nobody's mentioned the drum beat of Fireball? I think that is one of the most unique and difficult ones. BTW, I do think Bonham is an excellent drummer, but I do prefer Paicey. I´ve got a couple of friends who are drummers in bands(don´t know why I seem to attract them) and they confirm that Fireball is difficult to play, while they play Kashmire in their sleep.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Milan Fahrnholz)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:41:53 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37700,from=rss#post37700https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37700,from=rss#post37700No it's not. Please don't go emo on us, or take your sixth-form sensibilities over to a Nirvana board.nondisclosed_email@example.com (scarabus)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:40:40 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37699,from=rss#post37699https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37699,from=rss#post37699Your statement is just tasteless. Point.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:34:44 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37698,from=rss#post37698https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37698,from=rss#post37698quote:Trollprincess wrote: Do you find that funny or what? That's a typical sentence of an ignorant and frustrated blockhead, If you used your brain instead of getting all hysterical, you wouldn't write such teenage nonsense.nondisclosed_email@example.com (scarabus)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:32:46 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37697,from=rss#post37697https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37697,from=rss#post37697quote:Trollprincess wrote: Do you find that funny or what? That's a typical sentence of an ignorant and frustrated blockhead, I think he has a valid point, in that Bonham has achieved a mythical stature that all of the other Zeppelin members have lost (some more than others) by releasing sub-standard post-Zep material. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Big J)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:30:21 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37696,from=rss#post37696https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37696,from=rss#post37696Do you find that funny or what? That's a typical sentence of an ignorant and frustrated blockhead,nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:16:15 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37695,from=rss#post37695https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37695,from=rss#post37695Bonham is similar to Hendrix in that dying was the best career move he ever made.nondisclosed_email@example.com (scarabus)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:13:51 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37694,from=rss#post37694https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37694,from=rss#post37694quote:scarabus wrote: What about chunks of Perfect Strangers in 5/4 or the kick-off to Pictures of Home or the disciplines on You Fool No One? Not to mention the grace notes and one handed rolls that litter a lot of Paice's later work, esp Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming. Burn would make Buddy Rich sit up and take notice. Bonham did a good job in Zepp but Paice is in a different class. Nobody's mentioned the drum beat of Fireball? I think that is one of the most unique and difficult ones. BTW, I do think Bonham is an excellent drummer, but I do prefer Paicey. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Carramba)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:56:17 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37693,from=rss#post37693https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37693,from=rss#post37693quote:Trollprincess wrote: 'scuse me, please. I did NEVER EVER hear any technical complicated rhythms from Ian, like Bonham did for example on "Four Sticks", "Black Dog", or "Kashmir". Of course his style was very hard, but that wasn't all. Rubbish. Kashmir couldn't be more straightforward and Black Dog only sounds complicated because the bass and guitar start the riff on a different beat each time. The beat itself stays the same underneath. What about chunks of Perfect Strangers in 5/4 or the kick-off to Pictures of Home or the disciplines on You Fool No One? Not to mention the grace notes and one handed rolls that litter a lot of Paice's later work, esp Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming. Burn would make Buddy Rich sit up and take notice. Bonham did a good job in Zepp but Paice is in a different class. nondisclosed_email@example.com (scarabus)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:09:58 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37692,from=rss#post37692https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37692,from=rss#post37692 Just my opinion, and not to demean any of the people selected, but here's the only names that would make my personal 'Top 10' lists for the categories that also appear on the BBC's lists: Singer Robert Plant Paul Rodgers Ian Gillan Ronnie James Dio Roger Daltrey   Guitarist Jimmy Page Ritchie Blackmore Gary Moore Brian May Joe Satriani   Bassist John Entwistle Chris Squire Jack Bruce Geezer Butler    Drummer John Bonham Keith Moon Cozy Powell Ginger Baker Ian Paice  I completely agree with Freddie Mercury making a 'Top 10' for showmanship, but there are 5 or 6 others whom I prefer for their vocals and who weren't bad showmen/showpersons, either. Like JSA said, Greg Lake would certainly make my list of vocalists, along with two others right off the top o' my head - John Lawton + Paul Di'Anno. If I'm looking for that 'rougher-edged' type vocalist, I go with Dan McCafferty over Bon Scott.  For bassists, I have to have James Jamerson on my list, along with Billy Blough, Mel Schacher, James Dewar, John Deacon and yes, Roger Glover! So take that, Beese! ( / )  Drummers is a bit tougher for me, as I'm not a huge fan of drumming, though I of course appreciate it's importance + place in musical structure...it's just not a facet I pay a whole lot of close attention to...I'd probably but Benny Benjamin, Lee Kerslake, Carl Palmer, Don Brewer + Bill Bruford ahead of the five that made the BBC's list that I left off.  At guitar, the only gripe I have with the 5 picks from those lists that I agree with is the order! Two of my all-time favorites who're always #'s 1 + 2 - Ritchie Blackmore + Brian May, are just one slot off where they belong!  Now for the big question: why no keyboards? nondisclosed_email@example.com (MrEd45)Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:54:34 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37691,from=rss#post37691https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37691,from=rss#post37691quote:Milan Fahrnholz wrote: His drumming in the verses of Burn, during the studio version of The Mule and Mandrake Root is far more complicated than those. Kashmir is easy to play the rest is studio effects. Bonham did a lot with effects even live. I'd add You Fool No One to that list, far better than Kashmir et al.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Beese)Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:38:46 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37690,from=rss#post37690https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37690,from=rss#post37690quote:Trollprincess wrote: quote:Beese wrote: Paicey is FAR better than Bonham. Ian got a far bigger sound by being fast, Bonham just wacked the kit bloody hard, which actually gives a far leass 'heavy' sound. 'scuse me, please. I did NEVER EVER hear any technical complicated rhythms from Ian, like Bonham did for example on "Four Sticks", "Black Dog", or "Kashmir". Of course his style was very hard, but that wasn't all. His drumming in the verses of Burn, during the studio version of The Mule and Mandrake Root is far more complicated than those. Kashmir is easy to play the rest is studio effects. Bonham did a lot with effects even live. Now what was the name of that drummer again who can play melodies is beyond 60 but still drums better than ever now? He´d deserve that number one slot, not Bonham.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Milan Fahrnholz)Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:30:29 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37689,from=rss#post37689https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37689,from=rss#post37689quote:Beese wrote: Paicey is FAR better than Bonham. Ian got a far bigger sound by being fast, Bonham just wacked the kit bloody hard, which actually gives a far leass 'heavy' sound. 'scuse me, please. I did NEVER EVER hear any technical complicated rhythms from Ian, like Bonham did for example on "Four Sticks", "Black Dog", or "Kashmir". Of course his style was very hard, but that wasn't all. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:31:49 +0000 Re: Planet Rock's Fantasy Bandhttps://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37688,from=rss#post37688https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p37688,from=rss#post37688Sorry, Wasp, you are correct. I really wasn't thinking about that. Doh! My observation still stands. This poll is dominated by dead guys and drug addicts and a few excessive boozers. Nothing wrong with that, except that there are quite a few that deserve to be way up there that aren't.nondisclosed_email@example.com (JSA)Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:50:58 +0000