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I pretty much agree with Litb about the reunion bringing Jon up to the forefront. To me, his work in DTC and ST were the highlights of the show. Of course, the first official live release, Nobody's Perfect, didn't have DTC and gave us a shortened version of ST with no solo. I remember listening to NP on the radio as they played the entire album prior to it's release and being very disappointed.

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I pretty much agree with Litb about the reunion bringing Jon up to the forefront. To me, his work in DTC and ST were the highlights of the show. Of course, the first official live release, Nobody's Perfect, didn't have DTC and gave us a shortened version of ST with no solo. I remember listening to NP on the radion as they played the entire album prior to it's release and being very disappointed.




Yeah NP was bloody awful emoticon certainly when compared to MIJ !!!
it was almost like a poor DP tribute band.
I suppose it summed up how poor the reunited DP really were if that was them cherry picking tour highlights? emoticon I mean the version of CIT was taken from 2 different sources and was still crap.
Good name for the album right enough it certainly rang true.

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I never understood all this criticism towards Nobody's perfect. Personally, I love it; of course it's not Made in Japan but it's vital and fun. (I also know it's been retouched here and there by Roger and Ritchie but I don't find it relevant)
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If I want to hear something which is vital and fun, I go to see a local youth punk band. For Deep Purple's standards, NP simply is disappointing. I like the Hush remake, but that doesn't save it.
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If I want to hear something which is vital and fun, I go to see a local youth punk band. For Deep Purple's standards, NP simply is disappointing. I like the Hush remake, but that doesn't save it.



I think everything from PS and HOBL on NP are great. The old stuff is not good in comparison to MIJ but was a good representative of where the band where in 87. If they had played more material from the two reunion albums the shows would have been better.
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If I want to hear something which is vital and fun, I go to see a local youth punk band. For Deep Purple's standards, NP simply is disappointing. I like the Hush remake, but that doesn't save it.



I think everything from PS and HOBL on NP are great. The old stuff is not good in comparison to MIJ but was a good representative of where the band where in 87. If they had played more material from the two reunion albums the shows would have been better.




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Ouch...compared to this, I'd prefer staying home listening to the wife.
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I think everything from PS and HOBL on NP are great. The old stuff is not good in comparison to MIJ but was a good representative of where the band where in 87.


I agree to that, but obviously we have different views on where the band was in 1987. I've heard versions of Unwritten Law which I found simply horrible. (They certainly had their reasons to exclude that from NP.) And Hard Lovin' Man on NP is mediocre at best. Bad Attitude is cool but strangely they left it off the original CD release. All in all, it may be more interesting than most other rock bands in the 1980's, for for me it doesn't come close to what they played in 1993. Even the 1991 shows with JLT were better for me because they were much more coherent instrumentally, and certainly Turner's voice was in better shape then than Gillan's had been in the 1980's.

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If they had played more material from the two reunion albums the shows would have been better.


Yeah, that's possible. But they've played enough crappy versions of Knocking, Perfect Strangers, Under The Gun, Nobody's Home or Gypsy's Kiss. I don't know many live versions of these songs which I prefer to the studio cuts. And when I listen to HOBL or NP, I understand those who like the Steve Morse era.


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I think everything from PS and HOBL on NP are great. The old stuff is not good in comparison to MIJ but was a good representative of where the band where in 87.


I agree to that, but obviously we have different views on where the band was in 1987. I've heard versions of Unwritten Law which I found simply horrible. (They certainly had their reasons to exclude that from NP.) And Hard Lovin' Man on NP is mediocre at best. Bad Attitude is cool but strangely they left it off the original CD release. All in all, it may be more interesting than most other rock bands in the 1980's, for for me it doesn't come close to what they played in 1993. Even the 1991 shows with JLT were better for me because they were much more coherent instrumentally, and certainly Turner's voice was in better shape then than Gillan's had been in the 1980's.

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If they had played more material from the two reunion albums the shows would have been better.


Yeah, that's possible. But they've played enough crappy versions of Knocking, Perfect Strangers, Under The Gun, Nobody's Home or Gypsy's Kiss. I don't know many live versions of these songs which I prefer to the studio cuts. And when I listen to HOBL or NP, I understand those who like the Steve Morse era.





It wasn't close to 93, but the major issues with DP in the 80's were the majority of the 70's songs sounded considerably worse than MIJ.
Now SOTW, BN, Lazy were still OK, so I to this day believe that after the first reunion tour they should have dropped the majority of the 70's chestnuts that were hanging around their neck, and play either stuff from the 70's that wasn't on MIJ, or the new songs.
To drag around the MIJ set-list a second time seemed ridiculous.
Late 80's early 90's JLT was clearly a better singer than IG, but it was not what we wanted for DP. As bad as IG has been for the majority of the 80's and 90's. when he sings DP songs they sound like DP. With JLT they sounded wrong.
Anyway, I think SM is a great guitarist and is the reason they are still going today in my opinion.
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2. Yes. But then, they shouldn't have stopped in 93 but in 73. Or at least in 75. But I'm glad, they didn't. I would still have to listen to Machine Head, Fireball and Made in Japan. And a lot of fantastic records (studio and live) wouldn't excist. Ma record board would be rather empty ...


We don't know what they would have done if they had stopped in 1993 or earlier. Perhaps they would have done great music with other outfits.



Maybe. But nothing they have done in other outfits could match any Deep Purple thing. Maybe except early rainbow and PAL. IMHO.




I Totally disagree emoticon Whitesnake ,Rainbow,PAL and Gillan all released material that was far better than most of the post reunion DP releases IMHO.Dio era Rainbow and Moody/Marsden era Whitesnake were vastly superior live bands than post reunion DP for me, mainly because they had singers who could sing emoticon



It´s difficult to compare it, I would agree that Rising surpasses even Stormbringer or Burn or Who Do We Think We Are… Other Dio and DTE period probably surpasses Slaves&Masters (I often say it would be at best average even for Rainbow standards) and House Of Blue Light era…. but to me Strangers or Purpendicular records are different kind of level. Rainbow got wasted when they got to "commercial attitude", which is the same reason why DP went down in late 80s and S&M period of time - it was desperate trying "to be trendy and become popular" by the band which had different and unique identity.



I dont think you've grasped the point i was trying to make here ptr?
i was comparing DPs offshoot bands ie Rainbow,Whitesnake and Gillan etc with POST reunion DP.
Youre now bringing 70s DP into the equation?
Thats not the comparison i was making?
As far as making the comparison is concerned then whats difficult about it ?Its down to personal taste and opinion?
Having been fortunate enough to have seen all these bands live, and grown up with their music then i find it pretty easy to make the comparison.
I dont think the MK2 DP guys aged very well at all, by the time of the reunion much of what made them special had faded somewhat.
Its my opinion that the reunion happened about 5 years too late! and happened very much for the money rather than any great desire to play together again.
The results to me were very much a band of middle aged has beens going through the motions and cashing in on and damaging their legacy rather than adding to it.
The best part of the reunion for me was seeing Jon Lord restored to being a lead musician rather than the backing musician he was in Whitesnake.
I have to admit to being disappointed with the post reunion DP gigs i attended as for me they never quite lived up to the legend emoticon and as i said i enjoyed the offshoot bands more.



I agree with most of what you spell out here, light. The reunited DP was a bit of a let-down after the initial excitement. HOBL had the potential to be great, but came out too late. Rainbow, Gillan and Whitesnake were all better than the reunited DP, mostly because of attitude and direction, rather than talent. When they were good, they were real good. But when they were bad, they were pretty grim. Unfortunately, they didn't seem to put the good stuff on NP. Those of us who caught them on good nights were pretty much shocked at how lousy NP was.

The other thing is, they could have slowly phased out the MIJ set list and started adding the newer tunes and some classic stuff not usually heard. Keep Smoke, HS and ST. DTC was always a highlight and they could have added other goodies to the show. Instead, we got the Frankenstein's monster that was NP.

All the good will and excitement that was generated with the reunion was wasted with Gillan's poor singing, Blacker's who cares attitude and a lack of foresight. Fans wanted to hear the DP that they knew, but also wanted them to progress and be relevant. Not to be, unfortunately. emoticon

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