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Watching Ritchie destroy Burn worse than Bolin I don’t know how any word remotely close to good could be near that . Just dreadful.



It seems to be the usual problem you find with this stuff, many people just refuse to accept the evidence of their own ears and can hear no wrong with Blackmore.

If Blackmore strode out on stage, dropped his pants and took a dump and them left, without playing a note, these people would hail this is a "magic happening" and claim that he was "on fire", "playing better than ever" etc etc etc even if he didn't play a note............... its basically collective insanity!!

Essentially it's nonsense to suggest that these performances were anything other than very very average at best and completely woeful on most reckonings. The fact that people praise it, shows how little interest or attention they actually pay to the music, which is basically an insult to Blackmore anyway............. either that or it shows how drunk they were!!

This time out, the band were good and played the tunes well, but the "Master" somewhat let them down at every turn. Its
 
Time to retire, while his legacy and reputation are still vaguely intact.
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And that's your opinion Bagshot, which is just that, your opinion. You called someone a "Buffoon" in an earlier post. Why? You have no right to put down someone who has a different opinion than you! Maybe some people just like to be able to see their favorite guitar player one more time no matter how well or not he plays and wish to say nothing bad about him. You seem to think your opinion counts more than theirs. Guess what, it doesn't! Neither does mine.

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I agree 100% Stefen72.
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Which brings up an issue I have with some of the comments, slagging Blackmore because he no longer is the virtuoso he used to be and therefore he should no longer play.
Guess what, there is - at least for me - an emotional connection to these tunes, style and player. It’s not about rose-tinted glasses, it’s just the joy of experiencing all this one more time before it’s too late. But I don’t feel I am a muppet because I happen to like this better than no Blackmore. Way better.
Who cares if it’s not the same standard, are the others any different? Have you heard recently Clapton or Knopfler? All very diluted and slowed down as well, and they were not fast to begin with. Do people complain and ask for them to retire? No.
The thing (and our judgement mistake all this time) was that he was not practicing enough. I am starting to think this is not true, and Ritchie is still trying. But if he has the pain he mentioned in that interview, practice becomes difficult and this is what he can manage live. Studio is different, he can rest, focus on one song at a time and do it at home. Based on WFAS, I would still love to hear an album.
Live I know it’s hit and miss - more misses at the start of each minitour, more hits at the end. But the joy of being there to listen to Stargazer, TOTK and CTR, which I was too young to have heard in the Seventies, was something to remember and cherish.
Luckily, in some rare instances not everything can be reduced to performance level and efficiency. What a cold world it would be, if everything including our emotions revolved around that. And don’t talk to me about Ritchie not respecting the paying public - I am part of that public and I pay not because I am a limited guy who thinks at 74 can still play like at 30, I pay knowing what I will get and I am not forced to go by anybody. Then the people who did not go come over here and suggest he should retire...from a show they did not even attend. Do you really think he should pay attention to people who don’t care when so many obviously do, as the shows sell very well? Rainbow in the past played in much smaller arenas than today, ironically; but what that tells me is that there are more people - perhaps less vocal - who want to still experience this. Again: I know the difference vs the glory days but I know this will not go on forever, so why should I ask him to go home?
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If Ritchie wants to play music, let him. It's fun for him and as long as he can do it, he enjoys doing it. If his illness gets worse, some peoples wishes of his retirement will actually soon be fullfilled. You never know when the point comes when you can't do anymore what you love to do. Same goes for Deep Purple. They hope they are healthy for a few more years and can make the music they love.

Another thing I've noticed is, that some people here (I don't wanna mention names, but they who they are) have said a lot of times: "Oh, I don't care about Ritchie anymore..." But what's funny is that these people actually care the most about what he does or they wouldn't even follow his activities and take lots of time to write long posts here with their opinion on this and that. Some of them are only here to put everything down he does, and other people actually care and are totally desperate. I find that very interesting.

And the most funny I noticed, but that happens very often in general is, when people go to a show or watch a video, they say: "Oh, that was great". Then someobdy comes and writes something totally negative, and a short while after, the people that were positive about it at first, write the same negative words. It kind of shows that people actually love to complain. Before most people notice any positive things, they list up all negative things.

Ritchie has said it best: He doesn't care about the critics. He did when he was very young, but after a while he found out that he can't satisfie anyone but himself.
The shows are very well recieved by the fans, people still go to see them, whether it's Rainbow or Purple or any other one of the Purple family. Age has taken it's toll on many of them, but they still play because they love what they do. And that's the most important thing. The end is near for all of them, because time doesn't stop from anybody - so let's enjoy the last few years.

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I hope some of these shows are recorded. I like MIR I and better yet, MIR II.
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Which brings up an issue I have with some of the comments, slagging Blackmore because he no longer is the virtuoso he used to be and therefore he should no longer play.
Guess what, there is - at least for me - an emotional connection to these tunes, style and player. It’s not about rose-tinted glasses, it’s just the joy of experiencing all this one more time before it’s too late. But I don’t feel I am a muppet because I happen to like this better than no Blackmore. Way better.
Who cares if it’s not the same standard, are the others any different? Have you heard recently Clapton or Knopfler? All very diluted and slowed down as well, and they were not fast to begin with. Do people complain and ask for them to retire? No.
The thing (and our judgement mistake all this time) was that he was not practicing enough. I am starting to think this is not true, and Ritchie is still trying. But if he has the pain he mentioned in that interview, practice becomes difficult and this is what he can manage live. Studio is different, he can rest, focus on one song at a time and do it at home. Based on WFAS, I would still love to hear an album.
Live I know it’s hit and miss - more misses at the start of each minitour, more hits at the end. But the joy of being there to listen to Stargazer, TOTK and CTR, which I was too young to have heard in the Seventies, was something to remember and cherish.
Luckily, in some rare instances not everything can be reduced to performance level and efficiency. What a cold world it would be, if everything including our emotions revolved around that. And don’t talk to me about Ritchie not respecting the paying public - I am part of that public and I pay not because I am a limited guy who thinks at 74 can still play like at 30, I pay knowing what I will get and I am not forced to go by anybody. Then the people who did not go come over here and suggest he should retire...from a show they did not even attend. Do you really think he should pay attention to people who don’t care when so many obviously do, as the shows sell very well? Rainbow in the past played in much smaller arenas than today, ironically; but what that tells me is that there are more people - perhaps less vocal - who want to still experience this. Again: I know the difference vs the glory days but I know this will not go on forever, so why should I ask him to go home?



Well, I think this is better than no Blackmore at all too but there is room for improvement. And a little more rehearsal would make great results...even if it's just the band playing and Ritchie drinks a beer in the corner while listening and giving his advice.

I don't hang out in Clapton or Knopfler forums so I don't know how their current gigs are being recieved, but there are always mixed reviews. Even here we prefer different eras.

I don't know how serious Ritchie's "artrithis" and "back problems" are either. I assume if they are serious he might not just be drunk. He may be on heavy pain killers as well. (which could explain a few things) But the funny thing is that it doesn't seem to affect his playing in Blackmore's Night as much. The electric stuff he does there is so much better so that really makes me wonder.
If people are happy with what they get, it makes no sense for Blackmore to try harder or put more effort in this project.


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What he said in a recent interview is that the electric causes his back pains to become more intense and he has to take painkillers. He also added that with BN it’s easier because the sheer weight of the guitar is much reduced, so it’s easier on his back. Not only that, in BN he only picks up the Strat for a couple of songs at most and not every night - which leads me to think that when he’s well he does go electric and when he is in pain he just sticks to the hurdy gurdy and the stool. I have some nerves that bother me as well (small things) and I have learned that it’s not about what you do - the pain tends to arrive quite randomly and similarly goes away. He also added he could not play another encore in Prague due to the pain. Explains quite a few things.

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I´m sorry, but I have to disagree…

1.) regarding the health issue with back - absolutely no problem at all, play with stool, guitar on lap. Problem solved. I want him playing good and as much as comfortable he can be, I dont need him to struggle with back pain.

2.) my issue regarding the Rainbow is not arthritis. It´s overall attitude - to make it easy and (now the crucial word) cheap with as less needed work as possible. The fact that he takes it as secondary act to Blackmore´s Night is sad - but true. I really think that if he got the known musicians in music business (I mentioned some names like Neil Murray on bass, Kenny Aronof or Brian Tichy on drums for example) and got someone who would actually CHALLENGE him as guitar player - it would be completely different, because it would be obvious that he CARED about it and wanted to give something really GOOD to his fans. This sadly was like "they want to play rock stuff again, I dont want to, but ok - let´s go and do couple of gigs, it will generate some nice money, let´s ask guys from BN who had a bit of rock feeling and we have fine singer from youtube - it´s enough for tour...." Oh my - it´s Ritchie Blackmore - man who could ask big names and they would go with him. Sad - wasted opportunity.
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