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I was reading a feature on Ritchie’s search for the perfect pickup from the late 70s onwards recently. IIRC the search ended, according to the article, in the mid 90s when he discovered the lace sensors. These reputedly provided the ultimate balance between tone, power and of course noiseless-ness.
That being the case, I wondered why he’s now gone back to the Lawrence Hot Rails in his main strat over the last few years.

Any thoughts?
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The Lawrence probably provided more output (while still being humbuckers therefore no 60 cycle hum). He figured because they were back to playing the heavier stuff, he needed the extra balls the Lawrence's gave him. I haven't seen any pictures from these last few BN shows to know if he went back to the Lace Sensors.
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I was reading a feature on Ritchie’s search for the perfect pickup from the late 70s onwards recently. IIRC the search ended, according to the article, in the mid 90s when he discovered the lace sensors. These reputedly provided the ultimate balance between tone, power and of course noiseless-ness.
That being the case, I wondered why he’s now gone back to the Lawrence Hot Rails in his main strat over the last few years.

Any thoughts?




I'd imagine it's something to do with the interaction betwen the pickups and the rest of his gear that decides which to use. Also the stage guitar for these Rainbow shows seems to be the body from his usual BN Strat with a different neck. He may have changed the neck to suit the fact that his hand had some issues before the Rainow gigs. The Lawrence pickups don't especially offer more power anyway. Stacked HUmbuckers like this a not there for power jsut for noise reduction, like the Dimarzio pickups that Yngwie used HS3/YJM pickups. Many people misguidely think becuase hey are called "Humbuckers" that they must have more power, like th sort used in Gibsons etc. But in the case of stacked humbuckers used in Strats it's all about noise cancellation. The HS3/YJM pickups are actually fairly weak relatively and I don't think the Lawerenc pickups are anything special either. What the HS3/YJM and I'd guess the Lawerence pickups do offer is very good definition at higher volume. They are not very forgiving, they show your mistakes, nice n clear.


So I'd guess Blackmore decided that the Lawerance pickups gave him a better sound combined with what he was using in his signal chain than the Lace Sensors.


Equally in true Blackmore fashion it may be that he just wanted a change that people would then discuss. I suspect there will be very little diffrence between the sound of these pickups, as there rarely is when it's combined with the other gear and played loud. For recording yes, different pickups make different sounds, for playing live....... it's a bit accademic really!

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I was reading a feature on Ritchie’s search for the perfect pickup from the late 70s onwards recently. IIRC the search ended, according to the article, in the mid 90s when he discovered the lace sensors. These reputedly provided the ultimate balance between tone, power and of course noiseless-ness.
That being the case, I wondered why he’s now gone back to the Lawrence Hot Rails in his main strat over the last few years.

Any thoughts?




I'd imagine it's something to do with the interaction betwen the pickups and the rest of his gear that decides which to use. Also the stage guitar for these Rainbow shows seems to be the body from his usual BN Strat with a different neck. He may have changed the neck to suit the fact that his hand had some issues before the Rainow gigs. The Lawrence pickups don't especially offer more power anyway. Stacked HUmbuckers like this a not there for power jsut for noise reduction, like the Dimarzio pickups that Yngwie used HS3/YJM pickups. Many people misguidely think becuase hey are called "Humbuckers" that they must have more power, like th sort used in Gibsons etc. But in the case of stacked humbuckers used in Strats it's all about noise cancellation. The HS3/YJM pickups are actually fairly weak relatively and I don't think the Lawerenc pickups are anything special either. What the HS3/YJM and I'd guess the Lawerence pickups do offer is very good definition at higher volume. They are not very forgiving, they show your mistakes, nice n clear.


So I'd guess Blackmore decided that the Lawerance pickups gave him a better sound combined with what he was using in his signal chain than the Lace Sensors.


Equally in true Blackmore fashion it may be that he just wanted a change that people would then discuss. I suspect there will be very little diffrence between the sound of these pickups, as there rarely is when it's combined with the other gear and played loud. For recording yes, different pickups make different sounds, for playing live....... it's a bit accademic really!

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The Lawrence's aren't stacked, they're dual rail side by side like the Duncan Hot Rails and DiMarzio Fast Tracks.
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I was reading a feature on Ritchie’s search for the perfect pickup from the late 70s onwards recently. IIRC the search ended, according to the article, in the mid 90s when he discovered the lace sensors. These reputedly provided the ultimate balance between tone, power and of course noiseless-ness.
That being the case, I wondered why he’s now gone back to the Lawrence Hot Rails in his main strat over the last few years.

Any thoughts?




I'd imagine it's something to do with the interaction betwen the pickups and the rest of his gear that decides which to use. Also the stage guitar for these Rainbow shows seems to be the body from his usual BN Strat with a different neck. He may have changed the neck to suit the fact that his hand had some issues before the Rainow gigs. The Lawrence pickups don't especially offer more power anyway. Stacked HUmbuckers like this a not there for power jsut for noise reduction, like the Dimarzio pickups that Yngwie used HS3/YJM pickups. Many people misguidely think becuase hey are called "Humbuckers" that they must have more power, like th sort used in Gibsons etc. But in the case of stacked humbuckers used in Strats it's all about noise cancellation. The HS3/YJM pickups are actually fairly weak relatively and I don't think the Lawerenc pickups are anything special either. What the HS3/YJM and I'd guess the Lawerence pickups do offer is very good definition at higher volume. They are not very forgiving, they show your mistakes, nice n clear.


So I'd guess Blackmore decided that the Lawerance pickups gave him a better sound combined with what he was using in his signal chain than the Lace Sensors.


Equally in true Blackmore fashion it may be that he just wanted a change that people would then discuss. I suspect there will be very little diffrence between the sound of these pickups, as there rarely is when it's combined with the other gear and played loud. For recording yes, different pickups make different sounds, for playing live....... it's a bit accademic really!




thanks, great overview.

IIRC the Lawrence rails were used in the 87-88 period when most felt his sound was not that good.

I’m unsure what PUPS were used on the 1991 dates, but the sound was sharp and clear…..much improved from 4 years earlier.
Ditto the 1993 dates, which I’m sure he used the new Lace Sensors.
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The Lawrence's aren't stacked, they're dual rail side by side like the Duncan Hot Rails and DiMarzio Fast Tracks.



Fair enough, but it's still the same principal/ The coils are side by side rather than stacked, so if anything they will have even less power due to the very small side-by-side coils i'd think. It's not about having more output it's about having less noise. These single coil "humbuckers" should be called something else as I think it confuses people, they think they are buying more "power" when in fact it's more noise cancellation rather than power.

Maybe this is why Blackmore's sound on the first Rainbow Reunion gigs was very clear but quite "weedy" and thin.

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