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Kashmir: Equally it doesn't mean the setup is simple either. there is simply no way to know which it is and due to the difficulties and failure of many people who have tried to emulate it I'd suggest that there is something more complex going on than is obvious. I believe the playing style is entirely in Blackmore's fingers, but not the tone. I think that is a misconception. He will always play the way he plays( his style ) however the tone/sound we hear is driven by the equipment, which perhaps enhances his playing style. His style of playing doesn't change but his tone very definitely does.



I'm with you on this one, it's definitely more complicated than it appears or than Blackmore would let on, but it may have been archived by simple means. Simple, as in easy to replicate, once you know exactly how. Definitely agree his equipment plays a huge role, sound doesn't come from the fingers alone, else everyone would be playing Squire Strats through line6 amps.

Being in possession of a MTC myself I can definitely say, it is not the holy grail when it comes to the tone. It does make quiet the difference tone-wise but there is definitely something missing there. Maybe it is just a small piece of the puzzle or maybe it is not part of it at all. I fear we will never know.

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Some interesting points again there guys, I’m not sure about this ‘not sounding like himself’ business on the Jackie Lynton recordings a bit echo is usually a feature of his sound too, which IIRC is missing at this show. More importantly as far as I can see, a key element of his sound is no bass, only minimal treble, and most importantly not too much gain. The copyists all use too much.




Yeah, those guys really like to go all out on the treble/presence and gain. What is up with that? It is almost like a common theme among Blackmore-wannabees. Blackers tone is very clean and clear but has huge amounts of sustain. It is smooth but has a very defined edge. Totally unlike anything those guys produce.



I think you are right it's probably not that complicated a setup, but the complication is that the modifications are well hidden and so while all the equipment we see looks very standard, whats in the guitar, amps or the AIWA quite obviously really isn't standard at all hence buying the same gear, just won't even get close to the sound.

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I bought an old Akai tape deck, which has, like Ritchie's Aiwa, controllable in-and output. So I hooked it up with my guitar, a pedalboard (using only the delay of it) and an Engl amp.

So I'd like to share this with you.



Tell me what you think.

My conclusion is that there must be something which is maybe even more important to get his tone (beside his way of playing of course), than the tapedeck. He has a certain 'colour' in his sound, which I can't find. Maybe it's in the synth part of his sound chain.

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Saw BN at Penns peak show. Looks like Ritchie dropped the Engls when performing with BN. On stage were 2 Fender blackface amps. I couldn't make out the name. They had two rows of controls which I never saw on a Fender amp. Spoke briefly with the soundboard guy. He said the engls weren't brought as he doesn't bring the strats. I asked about the Fenders and he didn't recall tbe name. Something like acousticas. Just said they were some old amps he had. Wish I took a pic as I can't find anything like them online. They did not look like the current Fender acoustic line. Any thoughts what they could be?
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Stratman70:

Why did you use the Engl Thunder and not the Sovereign below it? Wouldn't it make more sense to use that? emoticon

I do find it a bit hard to compare the sounds. It sounds more compressed with the tape deck, there is also more treble but I'm pretty sure that's because you switched the channel on the Engl. How is the sustain with the tape deck compared to without? Burn really did sound all wrong, too compressed maybe. Try lowering the bass on the amp, Ritchie is known to take the bass out almost completely on his amps which I always assumed had something to do with the AIWA.

You could try some different things:
- Use a treble booster -> tape deck -> amp setup and see how that goes EDIT: Also try the reverse
- Try overloading the tape deck's preamp by turning the mic volume up vs. turning up the output to drive the amp harder, vs. combination of both
- While doing all that, take note of how it interacts with the guitar's volume pot, Ritchie could always get a HUGE array of sounds by simply rolling the volume down to different levels

Where is the pedal board placed in the effects chain? Or did you put it into the effects loop of the amp? It might color the sound or at the very least buffer the raw guitar signal which might completely change how the guitar would interact with the tape deck.

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OK I've spent thousands on the gear, guitars, amps, pedals, decks, mods etc. Unfortunately my fingers don't work. Any suggestions ?
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kashmir rock, thank you for your reaction.
The Sovereign has some tube issues, so I can't use it right now, but when it works properly, sure I will use it.

There is more compression with the tape deck. I once read that Ritchie turned down the treble on most amps he uses, but I never read about turning the bass down, but I cn try of course. The tape deck adds also a little more bass to it. You are right about Burn. I can't get it right. It should be more clean, but when I do that, then the compression also disappears.

I have the BSM RPA which I could use as you said.
The pedalboard is placed between the tapedeck and the amp. That's why the echo sounds right to me. When I place it in the effects loop it has a much 'modern' or digital sound which I don't like. With it between tape deck and amp it doesn't interfere too much with the end sound.

I'll let you know when the Sovereign is fixed and try these things with it.
For now I haven't got much time for playing as long as the wife is walking around at the holidays. emoticon

But thanks again! I appreciate your help.
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Please, everyone, don't forget that he's got his tone pot mod as well.. (a Dawk invention?).

This smooths his sound out a lot too
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Stratman70, shame about your Sovereign but I would really appreciate a video with it. It's impossible to find proper sound demos of that thing anywhere online so I'm very curious to hear what a Sovereign sounds like.

I'm surprised you didn't know about the bass thing. There are pictures floating around of his Marshall Major and Engl EQ settings and the bass is almost always completely rolled off!

BSM RPA, that supposedly has a tape deck preamp built in already, so who knows what that does? I've never really heard a good sounding demo using this pedal so I have no idea what to expect. People say Ritchie used some kind of treble booster that was built into his Majors in conjunction with the tape deck, so I wanted to put that theory to the test.

As for the echo, I'm worried about it changing the signal impedance which might change how the guitar, tape deck and amp interact with each other. Effects pedals like that often buffer the guitar signal which is alright if you're using lots of effects but will totally change the way treble boosters and fuzz faces sound. I was just looking for ways to eliminate anything that could have an influence on the signal and as such make your demos less representative or authentic, so to speak.


Blackmaple, yeah. The MTC was indeed made by Dawk though similar circuits have been around at the time already. While it does definitely change the way your guitar sounds, it is not the be all end all secret weapon to Ritchie's sound, just another puzzle piece. Oh and it's more than just a tone pot mod. It also changes the way the volume pot behaves, more high end when you roll it back but doesn't sound like a treble bleed.
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Please, everyone, don't forget that he's got his tone pot mod as well.. (a Dawk invention?).

This smooths his sound out a lot too



yes, he uses 300k [sign in to see URL] kind of compromise between 250/500 I understand and, yes, a dawk mod!
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