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This really should be forever a sticky topic.
Most interesting!
BSB can you post some samples of your sound with the Akai tapedeck?
What puzzles me is that his 'tapedeck-era' has so many different sounds.
I divide them in three parts:
- 1974-1979 vintage sound
- 1980-1990 strong overdriven sound
- 1993-now modern sound
I like his sound he has from 1993 until now best. But it seems the most difficult to reproduce. On YT there are some clips of (Japanese) folks who really nail the Rising sound. But I haven't heard anyone sounding like he did on the CHOHW-, SIUA tour or his last Rainbow shows.
It must have something to do with the Roland pickup I guess.

I'm still curious about the grey pedal on his Engl amp. What can it be?

As I said, this really should be a sticky topic.



Well, the tape deck is the only consistent factor during all these years.
Blackmore tried a lot of different pickups and changed guitars a lot during the 70s/80s. There were also other experiments with other gear.. In the 90s it seems like he was happy with the Lace Sensor pickups and his main guitars. Then he switched from Marshall to Engl amps. He also gradually started to use the guitar synth more and more.
However, the Aiwa has been repaired and rebuilt several times during all these years so I really wonder how much of it is stock?




This is the problem I think really.
We can all look at the gear as we see it on stage, but there is no guarantee that what we see is even close to what's inside it, or that it is all "stock" version sof what we see. Blackmore could have a "Kemper" sat off stage for example and the rest is jst for show,I do think thats unlikely but possible!

I think it would be easy for BLackmore to have had some changes made to the AIWA to give his distinct sound, even just a few small modifications to adjust the tone from the AIWA would be all it takes. This is why these pedals that claim to give "Blackmore's AIWA sound " are really nowhere at all in terms of making it happen.

What I do beleive is that Blackmore will have had his gear modified and matched as a set, meaning, he will have mods made that take account of the entire signal chain in use, not just a random mod to the AIWA which doesn't effect the rest, or maybe some tone alterations in the amps, which don't match the AIWA. He will have it all done with the end sound carefully in mind I think. Thats the intelligent way to do it.

Small changes across his complete signal chain, could yield a special unique sound.
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This really should be forever a sticky topic.
Most interesting!
BSB can you post some samples of your sound with the Akai tapedeck?
What puzzles me is that his 'tapedeck-era' has so many different sounds.
I divide them in three parts:
- 1974-1979 vintage sound
- 1980-1990 strong overdriven sound
- 1993-now modern sound
I like his sound he has from 1993 until now best. But it seems the most difficult to reproduce. On YT there are some clips of (Japanese) folks who really nail the Rising sound. But I haven't heard anyone sounding like he did on the CHOHW-, SIUA tour or his last Rainbow shows.
It must have something to do with the Roland pickup I guess.

I'm still curious about the grey pedal on his Engl amp. What can it be?

As I said, this really should be a sticky topic.



Yes I can record a few things with the different settings to try and demonstrate what I mean about the Tape Decks etc. I'll hope to do this shortly.

I too prefer his 1993-to-present sound, but as you say it's not an easy one.

The Roland pickup is set further back from the Bridge pickup and if you take the direct signal from just this pickup, using it as a pickup rather than as a synth, it does sound a little [sign in to see URL] it has a separate volume control and on/off switch, so could perhaps he uses that blended into his overall sound. The Roland pickup Blended with the Neck pickup would give an unusual tone as well ! I'll try and record some tests with that as well.

Another thing is that the GK2A can drive the VG8, VG88 and VG99 Series pedals. These don't use Pitch to MIDI conversion they simply directly assign each string to a seperate tone. There are no tracking issues with these units which there are with the Roland synths, which rely on a very accurate setup of the pickup other wise they can miss notes and fast passages can easily become confused, depending on the patch used. Blackmore's favourite "Quartal Brass" Tracks quite well, though hes modified the setting a little, probably to improve this even more. The GR50's Blackmore uses are pretty old now, although are still the most function/facility packed Synths Roland ever made for guitar. As Roland develope more newer models the functionality has decreased greatly and the editablity is becomming virtual non-existient. Roland say this is because guitarists don't want to edit or personalise things, but actually it's because it's cheaper really for Roland! The Roland GR55 "Synth" is barely a Synth at all and more a mix of COSM sh1te really, which having tried one, I thought was terrible, not useable like the GR50 and GR33.
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Just saw Stargazer from 2016 (the bonus video) on YouTube. You can see the Aiwa running during the solo and when the solo is ending you can see him switching the pedal with his hand. Later you see the Aiwa has stopped.
Think it was this clip that first made me think that he had it fixed and that it boosts when paused and delays/boosts when recording, since I haven't seen him switch anything since ...1993? 1995?
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Just saw Stargazer from 2016 (the bonus video) on YouTube. You can see the Aiwa running during the solo and when the solo is ending you can see him switching the pedal with his hand. Later you see the Aiwa has stopped.
Think it was this clip that first made me think that he had it fixed and that it boosts when paused and delays/boosts when recording, since I haven't seen him switch anything since ...1993? 1995?



He's had a switch by the drum riser since forever, but more recently that switch seems to have acquired more buttons. I think the switch was originally suppoed to be for rhe echo on/off too.

It may have been fixd as you say, though I suspect it's not used for echo anymore. To get it to produce a sound it needs to run, make the tapes move, whether in play mode or record and play mode, though it could be altered tohave bypassed this. I suspect the tape reels are just for show.
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Enjoying reading your discussions. a lot of this is over my head, I'm very straightforward equipment wise, fender into engl, a distortion pedal added [sign in to see URL]'s it. Couple of thoughts, it’s often said sound is in the fingers. I’d imagine RB playing a Gibson through a fender twin would most probably still sound like him.
Bagshot, you mentioned recordings of him without the Aiwa claiming it didn’t though, any recordings or evidence? For all his faults I’ve never heard any recordings where he sounded like anything other than ‘himself’


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Enjoying reading your discussions. a lot of this is over my head, I very straightforward equipment wise, fender into engl, a distortion pedal added [sign in to see URL]'s it. Couple of thoughts, it’s often said sound is in the fingers. I’d imagine RB playing a Gibson through a fender twin would most probably still sound like him.
Bagshot, you mentioned recordings of him without the Aiwa claiming it didn’t though, any recordings or evidence? For all his faults I’ve never heard any recordings where he sounded like anything other than ‘himself’



Self evidently Blackmore plays much the same style regardless of what gear he plays through, however some of his gear plays a big part too in that sound.

Try these clips for size, Blackmore hasn't got his own gear, at one point with Jackie Lynton they swap amps for Blackmore to try and get his sound better. I can't seem to find the video of this show, just the audio, but he's not sounding quite himself in these, sure the playing maybe, the tone, nope!
- Jackie Lynton
Check out the "Blackmore Blues in this one" Not the usual sound at all in my view. Obviously it's a pub gig, but the AIWA isn't there, so it sounds quite different, to me anyway.
- Ditto
- with Sweet
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Tone is in the fingers I believe.

In an early interview, Eddie Van Halen tells the story of Ted Nugent wanting to play through Eddie's rig to see where the "magic secret box" [sign in to see URL] said he still sounded like Ted.

Jeff Beck could play through anything and sound unmistakably like Jeff Beck. Same with Ritchie, David Gilmour or Jimmy Page.
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BagShotBullets - this year Ritchie's sound was very interesting - it was a lot more powerful than in the last 2 years.

What did he change? Just more gain or overdrive? Or anything else?

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BagShotBullets - this year Ritchie's sound was very interesting - it was a lot more powerful than in the last 2 years.

What did he change? Just more gain or overdrive? Or anything else?



I think in reality you'd really need to ask Blackmore what he changed I've no idea!

It's possible that in year one he felt very nervous and less than confident, so he instructed the sound guys to keep him a bit lower in the mix.

It may be that he has turned up the gain and is more dominant in the mix than previously. I wasn't at the gigs so I don't know how it sounded in the arena. On YouTube his sound seems fatter so, Id guess something is different.

In the first year he had ( or seemed to have )the 3 ENGL Sovereign combos lined up and there was a ENGL screamer 50 hiding behind them as well. How they were linked, if they were linked or not remains a mystery. The Screamer may have just been a backup.

One significant difference between the ENGL Screamer and the ENGL Sovereign is that the Screamer has a standby switch, however while on standby the DI and the FX loop are still active, so it's perfectly possible to use the screamer combo to feed another amp in a chain, using just the pre-amp. All the standby in the Screamer does is disconnects the power stage. The ENGL Sovereign 50 doesn't have a "standby mode" it's either ON or it's OFF. The ENGL Sovereign 100w 2x12 has a functioning standby.

This year he has mostly had 2 ENGL Sovereign 50W combo's front facing and one facing to his right( from audience view or left from stage view ) So not sure why this has occurred and the Screamer seems to be absent. Maybe he felt that screamer wasn't required or perhaps it never was. It seems the line up has varied with different nights across the tours/years.

I think the ENGL Sovereign without the ENGL badge is the most significant one, as it has something plugged into it on the front panel, the others don't seem to have this, BUT under the lights and poor video shots, it's very very hard to tell exactly. Same applies to the illumination of the lights on the amp front panel. The 1st badge-less one has the clean/crunch ( Yellow ) light lit, the others don't seem to so if that's the case they at running clean( though with theis amp clean has separate gain so can become dirty!) None of the amps appear to have the RED light lit for the distortion chanel, which suggests it isn't active, UT again under the lights who knows. Perhaps someone who was there can say what they saw from the front of the stage.

If the AIWA is feeding these amps, then the Yellow light being on, makes sense from my own testing with a tape deck. The Red light would give too much distortion and muffled gain which isn't what Blackmore has in his sounds so much.

The pink pedal is probably a Flanger.]OLD BOSS PEDALS Scroll down an bit here and there's a group shot of various Boss pedals which are pink in colour. The grey/white one might be a LINE SELECTOR or GE-7 Equaliser, or an NS1 Noise Suppressor, hard to say, but any are easily possible.
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Tone is in the fingers I believe.

In an early interview, Eddie Van Halen tells the story of Ted Nugent wanting to play through Eddie's rig to see where the "magic secret box" [sign in to see URL] said he still sounded like Ted.

Jeff Beck could play through anything and sound unmistakably like Jeff Beck. Same with Ritchie, David Gilmour or Jimmy Page.



I think that "playing style" rather than actual "tone" is completely in the fingers 100%. Hence regardless of the guitar or amp played these players play like themselves, however the actual sound, the "tone" we hear isn't in their finger and is in the equipment and playing style combination. They are distinctive players, but the equipemnt has an effect on the final sound we hear.
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