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Well he was pissed at Sabbath for wanting to open Ozzy's "last shows" (at the time), especially after all the crap Ozzy and Sharon spewed toward the Dio lineup of Sabbath. So he said he wasn't going to perform and of course we all know Rob Halford filled in for those two shows. Ronnie was in serious disbelief that the rest of Sabbath would even entertain the thought and he was more disappointed than angry. I really can't say I blame him either.
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Well he was pissed at Sabbath for wanting to open Ozzy's "last shows" (at the time), especially after all the crap Ozzy and Sharon spewed toward the Dio lineup of Sabbath. So he said he wasn't going to perform and of course we all know Rob Halford filled in for those two shows. Ronnie was in serious disbelief that the rest of Sabbath would even entertain the thought and he was more disappointed than angry. I really can't say I blame him either.



yeah i understand that RBB but whats that got to do with Blackers?



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Well he was pissed at Sabbath for wanting to open Ozzy's "last shows" (at the time), especially after all the crap Ozzy and Sharon spewed toward the Dio lineup of Sabbath. So he said he wasn't going to perform and of course we all know Rob Halford filled in for those two shows. Ronnie was in serious disbelief that the rest of Sabbath would even entertain the thought and he was more disappointed than angry. I really can't say I blame him either.



yeah i understand that RBB but whats that got to do with Blackers?






I think he was just in a really bad place emotionally for a while after that. Both Strange Highways (which I love) and Angry Machines had a very dark, menacing vibe about them. His anger just came out on everyone whether it was Sabbath, Ritchie or Vivian.
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Well he was pissed at Sabbath for wanting to open Ozzy's "last shows" (at the time), especially after all the crap Ozzy and Sharon spewed toward the Dio lineup of Sabbath. So he said he wasn't going to perform and of course we all know Rob Halford filled in for those two shows. Ronnie was in serious disbelief that the rest of Sabbath would even entertain the thought and he was more disappointed than angry. I really can't say I blame him either.



yeah i understand that RBB but whats that got to do with Blackers?






I think he was just in a really bad place emotionally for a while after that. Both Strange Highways (which I love) and Angry Machines had a very dark, menacing vibe about them. His anger just came out on everyone whether it was Sabbath, Ritchie or Vivian.



Yeah understandable, life throws up bad times as well as good for us all mate. emoticon

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Well he was Italian. Loyal to a fault until you crossed him and then when/if you do, watch out. I've met him numerous times and even had dinner with him. He's always been nothing but friendly, open and gracious to me but again, I've never worked with him and thankfully never crossed him like others have.



we all have our faults RBB emoticon

Not sure really what his beef with Blackers was though ?The way i understand it was that Ritchie wanted to change the direction of the band, ie try and make some money and become more commercial, but then it was his band to do so if he wanted [sign in to see URL] didn't want to change his writing style to fit in with that change so his tenure [sign in to see URL] the bitterness ?



I believe RJD saw himself as a talent on the same level as RB, and he probably included CP in this as well, but when he tried to exert his will on RB he found out that he was after all "just an employee", and it really annoyed him that Blackmore would and could forge ahead without him. I think RJD thought that because RB had already walked away from one successful band that he would be wary of breaking up another one, and would allow RJD to dictate the pace a bit, however that just wasn`t going to work it seems. That is all I can think of that would explain the bitterness on display in that video clip, unless there is another more personal reason, but seriously what did RJD expect playing in a band with a guitarist of RB`s talent and reputation? It was obvious that there was a big fan base that would follow RB whatever he did (except for dressing up as wood dwelling wizard and strumming chords on a fender strat when he should be soloing of course) and that RB was going to replace people if they didn`t fit his vision?

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Well, he was sacked from Rainbow and came out with little financial benefit from his 3 year tenure, so some bitterness is unsurprising. That faded in later years with his success with firstly Sabbath and then his own band.



Why the bitterness in the video then, as it was filmed well after that success?

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Well, he was sacked from Rainbow and came out with little financial benefit from his 3 year tenure, so some bitterness is unsurprising. That faded in later years with his success with firstly Sabbath and then his own band.



Why the bitterness in the video then, as it was filmed well after that success?




I believe the interview took place in the mid 90s. He was out of Sabbath for the second [sign in to see URL] more miserable than after the first time.
He struggled to make his own band [sign in to see URL] it was the grunge era and the "new" style he introduced wasn't interesting enough to get new fans and the old fans didn't recognize the band. He was mostly playing small venues and I believe it was really tough times for him.
It's easy to understand why he was so bitter. Then everyone said "Wow, [sign in to see URL] a magic band"...."Rising is the best album ever"and so on.
And he knew that Ritchie wasn't interested. Still he [sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL] get some kind of reunion going [sign in to see URL] it never happened. And he knew he could never repeat anything like that. It must have been really frustrating that's why I think he tried to focus on the first album: Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, because in reality it was Elf with [sign in to see URL] was his band, his friends and the album had a totally different vibe.
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Well, he was sacked from Rainbow and came out with little financial benefit from his 3 year tenure, so some bitterness is unsurprising. That faded in later years with his success with firstly Sabbath and then his own band.



Why the bitterness in the video then, as it was filmed well after that success?




I believe the interview took place in the mid 90s. He was out of Sabbath for the second [sign in to see URL] more miserable than after the first time.
He struggled to make his own band [sign in to see URL] it was the grunge era and the "new" style he introduced wasn't interesting enough to get new fans and the old fans didn't recognize the band. He was mostly playing small venues and I believe it was really tough times for him.
It's easy to understand why he was so bitter. Then everyone said "Wow, [sign in to see URL] a magic band"...."Rising is the best album ever"and so on.
And he knew that Ritchie wasn't interested. Still he [sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL] get some kind of reunion going [sign in to see URL] it never happened. And he knew he could never repeat anything like that. It must have been really frustrating that's why I think he tried to focus on the first album: Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, because in reality it was Elf with [sign in to see URL] was his band, his friends and the album had a totally different vibe.




I don't think his bitterness is easy to understand at all?This was after the most successful years of his career, he was by then presumably fairly well off financialy ?ie a multi millionaire ,sure he must have felt a bit pissed at the Sabbath guys for the Ozzfest fiasco but why so bitter towards Blackers after all those years?And yet despite the bitterness he wanted to reform with Ritchie?Just think that footage does him no favours, he comes across as an angry bitter selfish wee man, which by all accounts wasnt the truth.?
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Or it was and he put up a strong front for the fans but I'd met him a lot (during that time especially) and I would imagine it'd be pretty tiring to put up that kind of front when inside there's that much anger. Again, Idk, I only know what I experienced and it was always great, even in the last weeks leading up to the second Sabbath split.
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I don't think his bitterness is easy to understand at all?This was after the most successful years of his career, he was by then presumably fairly well off financialy ?ie a multi millionaire ,sure he must have felt a bit pissed at the Sabbath guys for the Ozzfest fiasco but why so bitter towards Blackers after all those years?And yet despite the bitterness he wanted to reform with Ritchie?Just think that footage does him no favours, he comes across as an angry bitter selfish wee man, which by all accounts wasnt the truth.?



It was not a successful time. It wasn't just the Ozzfest fiasco. He had problems with more or less everyone, on a personal level. The Dehumanizer album didn't sell nearly as well as the early 80s Sabbath albums and Iommi said they lost millions on it. Then he struggled with his own band in the 90s and I believe he lost a lot of money. There are rumors he approached Ritchie for a reunion when he heard Ritchie had left DP, but Ritchie chose to put a new band together with more or less unknown musicians and that pissed him off. Still he had a door open for several more years...
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