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We are OT, but I´ll try to get it back to Rainbow topic. Let me say that it´s actually not mainly about "people", it´s mainly about the stuff. I´ll try to explain it as much as possible:
- music-wise for me DP now are absolutely authentic Deep Purple because of their strong connection to the most classic lineup and MUSICWISE I also feel the strong connection between what they do now and what "the classic" Purple did in 70s or with Strangers. Those albums "touches" me and are instantly recognizable as "Deep Purple" - they actually scream that in terms of content. It´s about feeling DP identity - to me, all albums since 1996 simply HAVE this Deep Purple identity, and some DP records done with BOTH - Ritchie and Jon, by some mysterious reasons simply "lacks it".
- and to be honest, current DP are definitely MORE "classic Deep Purple" than let´s say JLT´s period of Rainbow Rainbow. Musicwise, that period of Rainbow has nearly nothing to do, what I love on Rainbow…




Thats got to be one of the most contradictory posts you have ever made ptr emoticon
ie its not about people, but i dont like anything that JLT is involved with?? emoticon
Of course its about the people !! Its about the musicians, who are the last time i checked people!!
You had a band with 2 of the greatest innovative and creative musicians of all time in JL and RB who basically along with a few other bands at the time created a whole new genre of [sign in to see URL] leave and you replace them with a session guy keyboard player with no real identity but a very good CV as a "backing" musician in just about every rock band you can think of, and a brilliant guitarist who cant play hard rock and whose best work is still to this day outside of [sign in to see URL] I'm not saying that everything that JL and RB did within DP was brilliant because quite simply it wasn't,like any artists they had good and bad [sign in to see URL] and Steve have stepped in and done a good job of keeping the band on the road ,for what thats worth? and have released a few decent records(and a few really bad ones) but thats really all there is to it, its DP [sign in to see URL] for Rainbow they were a band for while during the classic RB,Cozy and RJD period ,after that it was always pretty much a Blackmore thing with Ritchie being the only required member and all the rest being hired [sign in to see URL] Like Whitesnake with DC post 87 and of course DP post Blackmore and Lord emoticon
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We are OT, but I´ll try to get it back to Rainbow topic. Let me say that it´s actually not mainly about "people", it´s mainly about the stuff. I´ll try to explain it as much as possible:
- music-wise for me DP now are absolutely authentic Deep Purple because of their strong connection to the most classic lineup and MUSICWISE I also feel the strong connection between what they do now and what "the classic" Purple did in 70s or with Strangers. Those albums "touches" me and are instantly recognizable as "Deep Purple" - they actually scream that in terms of content. It´s about feeling DP identity - to me, all albums since 1996 simply HAVE this Deep Purple identity, and some DP records done with BOTH - Ritchie and Jon, by some mysterious reasons simply "lacks it".
- and to be honest, current DP are definitely MORE "classic Deep Purple" than let´s say JLT´s period of Rainbow Rainbow. Musicwise, that period of Rainbow has nearly nothing to do, what I love on Rainbow…




"ie its not about people, but i dont like anything that JLT is involved with?? emoticon "



That´s NOT correct statement. It´s not about JLT as person, it´s basically about what those bands did when he was in the band - and yes, I dont like it. JLT era of Rainbow has nothing to do with Rainbow which I like, Mark 5 era of DP has absolutely nothing to do with Deep Purple which I like. I dont even think that "he" is crucial reason for my dislike to this stuff, I think he was wrong guy for both of these bands, but he wasnt the one who decided "that" music direction which both of these bands took and which I dont like.

And once for me, for me Infinite or Now What?! sounds much more like Deep Purple which I like (and WHY I actually like this band so much), than some of the stuff done even by the most classic lineup of DP (for me, these 2 particular records sounds much more like authentic Deep Purple than let´s say House of Blue Light and even Battle Rages On). When DP without Ritchie and Jon can sound more like DP which I love than band with Ritchie and Jon in particular phase, how can I say that these two are required element for real DP sound? That´s utter nonsense from my standpoint when DP recs WITHOUT them sounds "more authentic" in terms of DP identity to me than some stuff WITH them.

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And once for me, for me Infinite or Now What?! sounds much more like Deep Purple which I like (and WHY I actually like this band so much), than some of the stuff done even by the most classic lineup of DP (for me, these 2 particular records sounds much more like authentic Deep Purple than let´s say House of Blue Light and even Battle Rages On). When DP without Ritchie and Jon can sound more like DP which I love than band with Ritchie and Jon in particular phase, how can I say that these two are required element for real DP sound? That´s utter nonsense from my standpoint when DP recs WITHOUT them sounds "more authentic" in terms of DP identity to me than some stuff WITH them.




ptr i am well aware of your particular preferences where DP are concerned, but as i stated earlier your idea of what is the "authentic" DP sound is actually very different from how many/most? DP fans and indeed the majority of the rock world perceive DP to be.
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I´d like to make a poll… I´ll try with provocative question - let´s play for example Love Conquers All and for example Birds Of Prey to "general" rock audience and ask them which one sounds more like classic "Deep Purple" emoticon
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what about The Cut Runs Deep and Haunted?
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I´d like to make a poll… I´ll try with provocative question - let´s play for example Love Conquers All and for example Birds Of Prey to "general" rock audience and ask them which one sounds more like classic "Deep Purple" emoticon



It is very east to choose one song from any bands back catologue if the intention is to start a childish comparison.
For example if "general" music fans are asked to choose between Paul McCartney "Frog Chorus" or Robbie Williams "Angels" does this mean that Robbie Williams is a better artist than McCartney?
I genuinely don't know what the point you are trying to make is. Everyone knows that you like MK VIII above every other line up of the band, that is your choice, other people like the more classic line ups.
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what about The Cut Runs Deep and Haunted?



 emoticon You didnt get one difference which makes this reaction "pointless" - I´m saying that "all DP lineups" are full legitimate Deep Purple, but musically some for me works and others dont. I´m not the one who basically says "no Blackmore no Lord no Deep Purple". I have problem with "this" statement and I´m trying to say, that lineups without Ritchie and lineup without Jon actually can have much more classic Deep Purple identity, than lineup where both of them was.
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The whole career of JL & RB condensed into one song 😂
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what about The Cut Runs Deep and Haunted?



 emoticon You didnt get one difference which makes this reaction "pointless" - I´m saying that "all DP lineups" are full legitimate Deep Purple, but musically some for me works and others dont. I´m not the one who basically says "no Blackmore no Lord no Deep Purple". I have problem with "this" statement and I´m trying to say, that lineups without Ritchie and lineup without Jon actually can have much more classic Deep Purple identity, than lineup where both of them was.



The current lineup has more classic DP identity than when Jon and Ritchie were there?Utter Nonsense !!
They started the bloody band, they created the classic sound ,how can it possibly have more DP identity when they are not there??
The classic DP sound along with Paiceys drumming required Blackmore on guitar ,SM is a brilliant guitarist but not suited to classic DP, and Jons keyboard work was also crucial to the classic DP sound ,whilst Don does a better Jon copycat than Steve does Ritchie, its still not the same, Don doesn't play with the taste nor fire that Jon did.
Basically you like a band that is obviously heavily influenced by Deep Purple but at the same time very different ,and of course past their best especially the singer!
How can this band be a full legitamate version of Deep Purple when only the drummer remains from the original lineup?
I will say though that Time For Bedlam does sound like classic DP, but then it would since its a rehash of POH emoticon
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what about The Cut Runs Deep and Haunted?



 emoticon You didnt get one difference which makes this reaction "pointless" - I´m saying that "all DP lineups" are full legitimate Deep Purple, but musically some for me works and others dont. I´m not the one who basically says "no Blackmore no Lord no Deep Purple". I have problem with "this" statement and I´m trying to say, that lineups without Ritchie and lineup without Jon actually can have much more classic Deep Purple identity, than lineup where both of them was.



The current lineup has more classic DP identity than when Jon and Ritchie were there?Utter Nonsense !!
They started the bloody band, they created the classic sound ,how can it possibly have more DP identity when they are not there??
The classic DP sound along with Paiceys drumming required Blackmore on guitar ,SM is a brilliant guitarist but not suited to classic DP, and Jons keyboard work was also crucial to the classic DP sound ,whilst Don does a better Jon copycat than Steve does Ritchie, its still not the same, Don doesn't play with the taste nor fire that Jon did.
Basically you like a band that is obviously heavily influenced by Deep Purple but at the same time very different ,and of course past their best especially the singer!
How can this band be a full legitamate version of Deep Purple when only the drummer remains from the original lineup?
I will say though that Time For Bedlam does sound like classic DP, but then it would since its a rehash of POH emoticon



Current lineup has more DP identity (how I hear and "feel" that) than DP with Ritchie and Jon in particular era! That part "in particular era" is necessary part!

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