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What actually happened and what Carol Stevens said to RB had happened are probably wildly different.

Given all the stories about how unpleasant she is i suspect RB hasn't heard the truth (or if he has he's ignored it)



Most probably very accurate!
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Ritchie's story makes more sense to me.

Doogie and Greg were good friends, so they probably decided together to have a go at Ritchie, because they were maybe frustrated about no further album or no more tour dates, which also meant basically: No Money. So I think they just wanted to piss Ritchie off and did that to him. And of course that turned out to be the end of Rainbow. I can understand Doogie and Greg for doing that, because I can imagine that they were hoping for more tourdates or at least going into the studio again recording a new record. I would have been frustrated, too. The SIUA line-up was fantastic and the shows were amazing, so I also wish there would have been more.

However, Ritchie said this in an interview some years back about it (Fireworks magazine 2015):

Now I’m intrigued! Last time we spoke, you told me a story you’d never shared before, which was you were preparing to play some Rainbow shows and two members of the band held you up for ransom, saying they wouldn’t play unless they got more money. You drew up contracts to make clear what the pay was and asked for them back within twenty four hours. Two guys signed the contracts, the two who wanted more money didn’t. So you cut your losses, and did Blackmore’s Night instead.

R: That’s right.

If it had been an ideal world, would you have run the two bands, and flitted between Rock and Renaissance, or would you have had to have concentrate on one at a time?

R: Deep down, I was getting bored and becoming sterile doing the Hard Rock, so when those two members decided to play that game, that actually was quite convenient. It gave me a chance to do something else and it all worked out really. Had they committed to the tour, and we’d gone out for another three or four months, I still think that would have been it. I was getting stale and bored just coming up with heavy riffs. I needed to get away from it. Before I told you about what happened, people had never heard that side of the story. Sometimes I hold back on stuff like that, but other times I feel like I am getting pointed at for doing something wrong, so I’ll say what really happened.

You told me which who it was, and Candice groaned, so because Fireworks isn’t into mud slinging, I omitted the names and simply wrote “two members”. When the article came out, two members took to the internet to say that what you told me wasn’t true and you pulled the plug simply to start Blackmore’s Night. It was the same two members whose names I omitted.

R: Yep. We had agents breathing down our necks, asking for us to commit to shows, I didn’t want to if things like that were going to be pulled on me at the last minute, so I had to have contracts made up. The contract offered a price I thought was fair and they basically walked away. They then called me up later asking when we were going on the road! I told them we weren’t.

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Dare I say it's a bit of a moot point?

In the end, Ritchie wanted to do something different, and no doubt he would have done it one way or the other - whether provoked, or provoking.

What really in my view was not predetermined, was that BN would go on for over 20 [sign in to see URL] was a big gamble, and I can totally imagine Ritchie being ready to go back to rock if it had not panned out. Let's go back and think about the plans to reunite the Rising lineup, and I believe there were also some interviews a year or two into BN, where he mentioned recording another Rainbow album.

When he realized BN was able to stay afloat, he had many more reasons to continue with that rather than to go back to rock.
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That's really a very sophisticated answer.

I don't want to offend you or whatever. I just think that Ritchie's take is plausible, too. You have your take on what happened, Ritchie has his take. I don't know who is right.

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For everyone interested - here's Doogie's statement from 2012 (because at the time Ritchie and Candice already shared their take on what happened in another interview and that was his response to that):

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"In the 16 years or so since I left Rainbow, I have never spoken publicly about my reasons for leaving. The truth is that I don't believe it's anyone's business but Ritchie's and mine.

"It was therefore with some interest (and a raised eyebrow or two) that I listened to the interview given by Candy on WRCN. I have to say that her version of events came as a surprise to say the least.

"While I am not named specifically, it is implied that I was party to a move within the band to hold Ritchie to some kind of financial ransom at what turned out to be our final show.

"That show was in Denmark, at Esbjerg, not Sweden Rock as Candy said in the interview, and I recall it rather well. Who wouldn't, given what followed!

"I remember the night before that final concert when Ritchie, Cozy Powell and I sat drinking red wine, sharing tales and having a great time. If anyone had told me then that the very next night Rainbow would be no more, I would never have believed them. We played football together the next day, as usual, and all was well between Ritchie and me, as far as I knew.

"I cannot and do not speak for any of my former band mates, that is for them to do so, should they wish.

"For my part, though, at no point did I ever ask Ritchie, his management, or anyone else connected with Rainbow for more money. The notion that I was in a position of sufficient power to 'blackmail' Ritchie is pretty funny anyway. It was Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow after all.

"Of the future of Rainbow at that time, Ritchie and I had talked of a new album at the end of the US tour in 97. That would come, I was told, after he had 'finished with Candy's album.' I actually took five song ideas to Esbjerg and gave him the tapes. You can find most of them on the Cornerstone album 'Human Stain'.

"I remember very clearly the conversation Ritchie and I had outside his dressing room that night after the show, and I remember the reasons why I did not sign that hastily reworked contract there and then. Those reasons are as valid today as they were on my return to London after the show (I returned to London on my own incidentally and did not, as has been suggested in the same interview, arrive at the plane the next day drunk with another band member). Those reasons are between Ritchie and I, they have remained private for many years, and they will remain so for many more, despite this silliness.

"For the record, Ritchie always treated me fairly. I got paid what I was contracted to get paid; whether it was publishing, performance fees or merchandise payments and I never had any issues or problems with him.

"I always appreciated that he gave me a big opportunity and took a chance on me. In return I gave him, Rainbow and the fans my very best.

"Even after I had left the band, there were a few occasions when Ritchie stepped in on my behalf when the new 'management' would not/could not help on certain matters. I am grateful to him for that.

"The only thing I wanted more of from Ritchie was time: more time to make great music with him.

"For what it's worth I believe that the reason Rainbow did not, has not and will not continue is because Ritchie wants to do something else... Blackmore's Night.

"He seems happy with what he is doing. I am happy with what I am doing. I wish him well and I hope that he wishes me the same.

"Neither I nor Ritchie will lose any sleep over this. And neither should you."


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That's really a very sophisticated answer.

I don't want to offend you or whatever. I just think that Ritchie's take is plausible, too. You have your take on what happened, Ritchie has his take. I don't know who is right.



There are always different sides to every story. But what I can't figure out is why RB and CN breaks the silence and decide to do this attack on DW 15 years after they did their last show. It's like they feel the need to defend his move to focus on BN and puts the blame on someone else.
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What actually happened and what Carol Stevens said to RB had happened are probably wildly different.

Given all the stories about how unpleasant she is i suspect RB hasn't heard the truth (or if he has he's ignored it)



Most probably very accurate!



Probably true
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As Doogie said in his statement: None of us should loose any sleep over that.

And he's right.

Ritchie said that he lost interest in rock music anyway, so whatever happened there is of no crucial importance, because he would have done the Blackmore's Night thing anyway. He's a happy man doing that and that's the most important thing.

If Doogie's take on things should really be the truth, I'm also wondering why Ritchie is saying different things. I wouldn't understand why he would just make that story up.

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But on a positive note - Ritchie also has positive things to say about the SIUA period.

Quote from Fireworks magazine 2012:

Candice, you first came to my attention because you contributed some lyrics and backing vocals the last Rainbow album ‘Stranger In Us All’. The first time you wrote with Ritchie was ‘Ariel’… I know it was credited as Rainbow, but was the idea to be a Ritchie solo album or was it always a Rainbow album? I’ve heard differing things, and I was curious as it was a completely new line up.

C:I think the idea was to get out of a contract wasn’t it? (laughs)

R:Yeah, I had to throw together some musicians pretty quickly, but I never liked to think of it as a solo album. I like to think I’m steering the ship but I’m not solo, people have asked me to do a solo album but I enjoy playing in a band and being in a band situation. So no, it’s a Rainbow album and I think it’s a pretty good record.
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