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new ritchie interview on why he broke up with doogie white
very interesting. from new burrn magazine (april 2018):
How would you compare Ronnie to the old singers in Rainbow?
Ritchie: He has a strong voice. There's a tension in his voice. When he wants, he can sing hard rock, but at the same he can sing very soft-melodic stuff. I like him so much because he can sing in two different styles. He sings in three different bands. In one he sings the songs of Freddie Mercury. He's very good at singing Queen songs. In addition, he has a very wide range and can take very high notes. But I don't like singers who can just sing at their top voice. I like the baritone. Long ago, when I was looking for a singer, before we found Graham Bonnet, we had a singerwith a beautiful timbre. For me, timbre is a very important element of a voice. We went to write new songs in France and I found out that he wasn't able to hit the high A, the highest note for him was the upper D. He had a small range, so we asked him to leave (laughs). This singer stayed in the band for only three weeks. It's very difficult for me to write for a singer who can't take the upper A. And Graham Bonnet could sing even higher, up to F. Graham rarely sang in such a high voice, but he was very good at handling his vocals. Many of our songs are starting very low, and then went up. So when I auditioned new singer, I always tested their range. When I'm looking for a singer, I look at the timbre, range, feeling of rythmn and phrasing. That's the most important thing for me. There are many singers, who are very good at singing other people's songs, but when it comes to improvising, they don't know how to do it. Improvisation is very important. Without it, you're not able to compose any music.
I would like to compare it with each vocalist separately.
Ritchie: I can't do this (laughs). No, I'm joking. Okay, Ronnie Dio... I noticed that the fans wanted to hear more songs from the Dio era, 1975-1978. That was one of the reasons why I chose Ronnie Romero - because his voice reminds me of Dio. Joe Lynn Turner wasn't very happy about that! When he heard that I decided to use Ronnie Romero, he... Well... But in Europe Rainbow is all associated with Ronnie Dio, and not with Graham Bonnet or Joe Lynn Turner. Everyone had his own style. Ronnie Dio had a very good baritone. He sang in a very dramatic style. Graham Bonnet had a very high voice, he was more a pop singer. And Joe Lynn Turner was more of a blues vocalist. Who else was there?
Doogie White.
Ritchie: Yes. Doogie White. One day Doogie sang very well, the other day he sang terribly bad. It was always incomprehensible with him. At the first show we did he sang remarkably, and on other nights his voice was very weak. Therefore, I didn't really like it. I remember that we had problems with him, when we were going to perform at a Danish rock festival. A week before the show, he asked me to double his free. He did that together with the bass player at the time and they both demanded more money. Within that week I wouldn't have have had enough time to look for another singer. I said that we can speak about that soon, when we play that show. Of course, I didn't double their fee. I paid them as planned. But he tried to blackmail me. I told him that the agent would pay them out 3 percent of the profit of each show, and said: "Please decide if that's okay for you or not". I don't need a person around me who asks me to double their fee one month before a show. I also said that if I don't get an answer within 24 hours, I will cancel all the upcoming shows for three months in advance. My plan at the time was to go on another tour to Japan and do some more dates in Europe. I basically wanted to do another world tour. But I didn't get an answer within these 24 hours. And that's why I cancelled the whole thing and started Blackmore's Night with Candice. A week later he called me and asked me about further tour plans and when we would send him the tour shedule. My manager told him that it was over and we wouldn't go anywhere. We don't need people who are asking to double their fee one week before a show. When we go on tour or do a show, we are setting up contracts with clearly fixed amounts. When you sign it, you can't ask me to increase the fee one week prior to a show. That's why I broke up with Doogie White. I think I already told this story. It's the truth of what happened and it was all really scandalous and unnecessary.
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Re: new ritchie interview on why he broke up with doogie white
I wish Doogie would comment on this.
There are no doubt different sides to this story. According to this, RB basically blames Doogie for breaking up Rainbow and launching BN. I don't buy it 
any chance you could post the rest of the interview? Burn seems to get good interviews
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Re: new ritchie interview on why he broke up with doogie white
it was posted on another forum, but here are the bits that i found:
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This year you've planned Rainbow shows in Russia, Finland, Germany and Czech. Are you going to change the setlist?
Ritchie: It will be very similar to last year. We don't have enough time to rehearse a completely new set. We'll start rehearsing in March. Before the shows I want to rehearse a little more this time than in the 2 previous years. We'll go to Moscow for the first show. But at first we'll fly to Germany and then to Russia. I don't like flying to Russia by direct flight. My back hurts, so I can't take a longer flight than 7 hours.
With Rainbow you have never played in Czech or Russia before. Are you doing this on purpose?
Ritchie: Over the past 20 years, I often played in Russia. Of course, it's great to go there with Rainbow, too, but it's a pure coincidence. Agents just asked if I would like to play there and I agreed, although it's quite far to go there, but I've already been in Russia a few times. I like it there, and I really like Borsch, the famous Russian soup.
Are you planning to give more shows in the second half of the year, like for example in Japan?
Ritchie: Japan is a wonderful country, but it's so far away. I prefer to travel to closer places. I don't like to sit on the plane for such a long time. That's really the biggest problem. In fact, I was thinking about going to Japan, because Mr. Udo was inviting me, but I really don't want to travel so far. Therefore, that didn't work out.
And if you fly through California?
Ritchie: I don't like California. I lived there for three years, and I didn't like it. I like to live surrounded by electricians, gardeners and carpenters. But in Hollywood, where I lived at the time, everyone was either movie stars, rock stars, psychoanalysts or doctors. It was terribly boring there. I was very uncomfortable there. But at the time, we often performed in Japan with Rainbow... That's why I lived in Los Angeles, because there was an airport near there. But I don't want to go back to California. I always say that I would like to go to California again, but I don't have enough motiviation. It's too hot, and there's too many palm tress (laughs).
And through Seatlle?
Ritchie: Seattle is too far away. But I like Seattle. A good place. Good climate, not too many palm trees.
There's a beautiful nature.
Ritchie: That's right. But I live on the east coast. There's much more European atmosphere here. The west coast is too close tot he Pacific Ocean. It's too far away from my roots. I like the cold climate here with snow.
So does that mean that you will probably never play in Japan with Rainbow again?
Ritchie: I don't want to rule it out. Mr. Udo invited me to Japan. We have a long-standing friendly relationship. We have known each other for a long time - probably 200 years (laughs).
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There's a lot of young fans here who have never seen you...
Ritchie: And I thought I don't have any fans left there...
It's not like that at all!
Ritchie: Well, there's a couple of fans left... (laughs)
No, a lot more...
Ritchie: (laughs)
Okay. However - are you going to play with the same line-up as in previous years?
Ritchie: As far as I know - yes. I haven't talked with them for a long time. When I asked them if they would like to do another Rainbow tour, they agreed. But recently I had a big argument with the drummer. I even kicked him out of my house. I don't know if he will ever talk to me again.
Are you talking about David Keith?
Ritchie: That's right. We had a very aggressive discussion about politics. (Ritchie is a supporter of conservative politics and David is a supporter of left-wing politics). Sometimes it's better not to argue about politics. But I like discussing it from time to time.
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What's your opinion about Ronnie Romero?
Ritchie: Ronnie is a very cool guy. He's a very calm person, and I trust him. For me the character of a musician is of great importance for the band. He comes from Chile, and when I first met him, I noticed that he's not very talkative. I like the fact that he doesn't try to impose his opinion. So with him I definetely won't be having an argument because of politics. (laughs)
What about Bob and why is his name "Noveau"?
Ritchie: That's not his real name. He's just being searched by the police. That's why he has to hide his real name. But he's a great musician - not just a bass player. He's also a great guitar player, with a strong sense of rythmn and good views about music. He's the best companion for me in terms of music, because when I'm not in the mood to get things right at rehearsals, he jumps in and knows what I think is wrong. He knows how to communicate with people and get things across. For example, we had some problems with one backing vocalist in Blackmore's Night. And he told her: "If you sing like that, it won't be good for the song". I was amazed, because I couldn't understand what I didn't like about her singing, and he immediately identified it. He's a great musician, and besides, he replaces me when I'm not in the mood to command the band. But he has one big problem. It's always impossible to contact him, and he's always lost. On tour, he somtimes calls us: "Ritchie, I'm lost, where am I ?". Sometimes we leave him a small message: "Bob, we just want to remind you that today is Friday". I have an interesting relationship with him, because I always tell him some kind of nonsense, and he answers in the same manner. He seems to understand the nonsense that I usually carry with me.
What can you say about David Keith? Besides the fact that you have different views on politics than he has?
Ritchie: He's also a great musician. Many famous drummers wanted to play in this new Rainbow line-up, but I wasn't very keen on taking famous musicians, because I really like Dave's playing. He perfectly keeps the rythmn. In the past, I've always had problems with drummers. They all brought huge drum kits, a double bass and loved arranging a big show, but they weren't able to keep the rythmn. For me the most important thing about a drummer is that he can keep the rythmn and has a good timing. I was always looking for a drummer who could keep up with a song, without slowing down or getting too fast. Ironically, many well-known drummers are constantly stumbling and starting to play faster. So when I started to put this band together, I thought that he would be the best choice. He's not known at all, but I believe that it's always good to present little-known musicians. It's the same with Ronnie Romero. Many singers would like to be in his place, but I wasn't interested in using any of the old singers. One night, Candice watched somevideos on the computer through Youtube, and asked me what I would think of this singer. At first, I wasn't really interested - but when I listened to him, I said: "He's very good!". There was a video where he sang in the studio without any backing, so I could clearly hear his voice. I said to Candy: "Damn, he's a wonderful singer, who is this?". So she checked who it was, and got in touch with him. That was the point when I really got to be enthusiastic about the idea of reviving Rainbow. I had thought about doing something like this already for quite some time, but I couldn't find a suitable singer. I was looking for a blues vocalist, who at the same time could sing rock music. But no one inspired me, except Paul Rodgers. But this singer on Youtube had everything I was looking for. He lives in Spain, Madrid. When we contacted him, he didn't take it too seriously. Later, he said that he thought it was just a joke (laughs). I had to contact him through our manager: "It's really us! Would you like to take part in this new Rainbow line-up?". That's how it all started. After that we met up at a German castle. I played one or two Rainbow songs on the acoustic guitar and I knew he was the right guy. So that's Ronnies story. Is it worth going back to David? (laughs)
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Yes.
Ritchie: Ok. When I told David that I would like him to be the drummer, he said: "We need to buy another bass drum for the drum-kit to make it sound and look like Cozy Powell's drum-kit. I told him that this wouldn't be necessary. I love it when drummers play with just one bass-drum. I don't like the double-bass-drum at al. John Bonham, an amazing drummer, managed to do it with just one also. Buddy Rich, the best drummer in the world, also handled it with one bass drum. I think a double-bass drum is just a show effect. Many drummers have big drum-kits and totally forget about keeping the rythmn. I really like Mitch Mitchell, who played with Jimi Hendrix. He only had one bass drum, too. I also don't like when the drums are too loud. Was that enough arguments to convince you that David is a fantastic drummer?
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What can you say about your old keyboard players?
Ritchie: I liked David Rosenthal the most. Don Airey was also a great musician. You can critize him for playing in almost every rock band in the world and leaving them 2 weeks after joining them, but he's a great musician. (laughs) But David Rosenthal is an outstanding musician. David Stone... he was a bit unpleasant. We really didn't get along very well. Tony Carey was extremely talented. He is a wonderful singer and writes wonderful songs. But at the time we were unsure of him. It was all about drugs. As far as I know, he doesn't have drug problems anymore. He really was a great talent. I know that he had some big hits in Europe. He's not a session musician. I think he's much more comfortable as a indepedent musician. He likes to sing himself, but of course, he is also a wonderful keyboard player.
Bob Nouveau plays with his fingers, although you always required that your bass players play with a plectrum. Have you changed your mind about that?
Ritchie: Yes.
Why?
Ritchie: The finger playing is better. You have a lot more freedom when you play with your fingers. Most bass players are using a plectrum and just play: "Bam-bam-bam". Bob often changes the rythmn. He does the syncopation thing, which is why the music sounds a lot better. When you play with a plectrum, the music becomes more accurate and direct. So yes, I changed my thoughts about the bass guitar. Bob is a very good bass player. He's very good at doing both styles.
I recently interviewed Glenn Hughes, and he told me that he almost became the new bass player of Rainbow.
Ritchie: Ah, Glenn Hughes. Yes, it's a strange story. He almost joined the group. I didn't even speak to him myself, I spoke with his best friend an manager, who's also a friend of mine. I wanted to find out if Glenn was interested in this, and I was told that he had agreed. I said: "Well, nice!". So the point came when we wanted to rehearse for the first time, and I asked his friend to tell him that he won't be the singer. It would be Ronnie Romero. His friend told me that Glenn would be aware of that. Because I know that Glenn loves to sing himself. But if he would be ready to limit himself to backing vocals, it would be just great. And just a few days before the rehearsals, Glenn recieved a message from his friend in which he was told that he wouldn't be the singer. (laughs)
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What happened then?
Ritchie: I don't know myself (laughs). I wrote an E-Mail to Glenn, specifying that I thought that he knew that he wouldn't be the singer. Right from the beginning it was never the plan that Glenn would be the main singer. So in the end, we apologized to each other, because I knew that he wouldn't agree to just play the bass guitar. Maybe it would have been better to communicate directly with him, instead of talking through other people. We should have sorted it out in a different way, but we didn't. We communicated through managers and friends. So it turned out to be a really strange situation. And that's when we asked Bob to join us.
There'll be a new album coming out soon of your British tour last year. Your first show was at the O2 Arena in London.
Ritchie: It's nice to be back in front of such a big audience. I started being used to play in smaller halls, sitting on a chair, performing Renaissance and folk music. It was very unusual and strange for me to play in front of such big audiences again. They all remembered the old songs! Very nice and interesting feeling. It's a very pleasant feeling that so many people still want to hear these songs. I really like all those songs, but I don't wanna play them all the time. Most likely, I'll be doing 5 shows each year with Rainbow. And I don't think about going into the studio to record a new album... There were a lot of former friends and former colleagues at the show in London. It was great. Usually the London audience isn't very corteous. However, this time it worked well. It's still difficult to believe for me that so many people are coming to our shows.
Can you tell us something about the songs on the new live-record?
Ritchie: You shouldn't ask me that. I only remember the first three songs. I decide the rest of the setlist usually on the go. Usually it's my manager, who decides that, and I just approve it. Also, I have no idea what we are releasing now. Candy is very good at all this, she has a good memory.
The first song is "Spotlight Kid".
Ritchie: Ok. I wrote Spotlight Kid a long time ago. It's basically just a quick riff. I remember that when I wrote it, I asked Don Airey for his opinion, and he didn't like it. He advised me to something here and there. So I did that, and for quite some time, I wasn't sure about the result, but now I like it. Next we play "Mistreated".
No, I Surrender.
Ritchie: I Surrender?
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Yes.
Ritchie: Okay. I Surrender is a difficult song to play for me, because we play it in F-sharp. It's an usual key for me to play, so I have to concentrate. It's not the easiest song, but it's a wonderful song, written by Russ Ballard. By the way, he was at our show in London last year. I talked with him behind the scenes and asked him if he would like to play with us, but I warned him that we wouldn't play it in the original key. I remember that he got a little bit confused with the chords. As far as I remember, he came on stage with a guitar - by the way, he's an excellent guitar player. He thought I was joking about the key change, but I made that change for Ronnie. For example, when we played "Knockin at your back Door" with Joe Lynn Turner we also changed the key and changed the arrangements a little bit also.
Did Russ sing with Ronnie?
Ritchie: Yes.
Mistreated...
Ritchie: Mistreated is played in the same key. I love playing this song. I like good blues songs. David Coverdale did a great job on that. I remember how I discussed with Ronnie Dio in the old Rainbow days whether we should play that or not. He asked me to tell him how to sing the song. I, of course, can't sing, but I tried to sing it to him how I imagined it. He picked it up, and it turned out great. After that we played it for a long time at every show. But at first Ronnie Dio wasn't very comfortable singing that song. He didn't think he would have to perform it. He was very worried about it.
Since You've Been Gone...
Ritchie: Oh, yes. Since You've been Gone. We also play this one in a different key. Ronnie Romero has a lower voice than Graham Bonnet. It's an interesting, again written by Russ Ballard. The middle part of Since You've Been Gone is played in D flat. For a guitar player, that's a very unusual key. I like it, but with all the shows in the last 2 years I had the bad habit of not learning the songs properly. So on stage it's like I'm playing them for the first time. (laughs) Sometimes I'm playing the wrong chords. It upsets Bob. But Jens is there to overdub that, so no one notices my mistakes. It's a great song. Everyone can sing along. it's basically a pop song. Sometimes I like to play pop songs. I'm very often critized for doing that: "Why does Ritchie play pop songs?". Because I like it! And I don't think that all music should be heavy sounding. The constant heavy sound makes me very tired. I love melody. I only want to play music with a good melody. Many modern bands are not interested in playing good melodys. There's some weird music out there. It doesn't make any sense to me. For me, the most important thing is the melody.
Man on the silver Moutain...
Ritchie: All right. Man on the silver Mountain was played in the original key. There are a lot of different chords in the song. I really like to play it. I don't know what the lyrics are about, because Ronnie Dio wrote them. I was only responsible for the music. Do you know what it is about?
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No.
Ritchie: No? If you find out, tell me. I don't understand them. When we first toured America with Deep Purple, everyone thought that "Speed King" was a song about drugs. Ian Gillan always said that this wasn't true. It's a song about fast driving, not about drugs actually.
Soldier of Fortune.
Ritchie: Ronnie wanted to play this song. I also wanted to play something on the acoustics. Beautiful song! The first part was written by David Coverdale and the second one was my idea. It turned out great. He composed the first part on the piano, but I wasn't happy with it, so I told him to change it slightly. It was great to write songs like that together, 50/50. In Deep Purple, we never wrote songs together. There were always two or three people who really worked, and the rest didn't write anything at all, but they were still listed in the credits. They wanted democracy. I know that Van Halen had the same problem. Sometimes even songs, which are written by just person, are credited to the whole band. Strange, isn't it? But I shared the credits with the others, because I wanted them to be happy. Otherwise, it would have lead to a total chaos. There would have been a lot of complaints.
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What RB says about Doogie having a weak voice on some gigs is pure BS, as the abundance of great bootlegs can attest.
Doogie has also responded (on here I think) on the payment thing, the fact is that in 1997 gigs were few and far between, so in order to survive they requested an increase in pay. The fact that Greg Smith, the bassist RB here refers to was requested to stay on in Rainbow or Blackmore's Night, and even posing together posing for Burn Magazine after Doogie's firing, also sheds doubt on RB's account here.
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What RB says about Doogie having a weak voice on some gigs is pure BS, as the abundance of great bootlegs can attest.
Doogie has also responded (on here I think) on the payment thing, the fact is that in 1997 gigs were few and far between, so in order to survive they requested an increase in pay. The fact that Greg Smith, the bassist RB here refers to was requested to stay on in Rainbow or Blackmore's Night, and even posing together posing for Burn Magazine after Doogie's firing, also sheds doubt on RB's account here.
Just to clear that up. The photo session with Greg and Paul (btw) already happened in early 1997. It was before all that happened (which was in May 1997)
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Since You've Been Gone...
Ritchie: Oh, yes. Since You've been Gone. We also play this one in a different key. Ronnie Romero has a lower voice than Graham Bonnet. It's an interesting, again written by Russ Ballard. The middle part of Since You've Been Gone is played in D flat. For a guitar player, that's a very unusual key. I like it, but with all the shows in the last 2 years I had the bad habit of not learning the songs properly. So on stage it's like I'm playing them for the first time. (laughs) Sometimes I'm playing the wrong chords. It upsets Bob. But Jens is there to overdub that, so no one notices my mistakes. It's a great song. Everyone can sing along. it's basically a pop song. Sometimes I like to play pop songs. I'm very often critized for doing that: "Why does Ritchie play pop songs?". Because I like it! And I don't think that all music should be heavy sounding. The constant heavy sound makes me very tired. I love melody. I only want to play music with a good melody. Many modern bands are not interested in playing good melodys. There's some weird music out there. It doesn't make any sense to me. For me, the most important thing is the melody.
The interviewer should really have challenged him on that statement rather than just moving on to the next song!
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What RB says about Doogie having a weak voice on some gigs is pure BS, as the abundance of great bootlegs can attest.
Absolutely! Why is RB coming out with all this now?
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What RB says about Doogie having a weak voice on some gigs is pure BS, as the abundance of great bootlegs can attest.
Doogie has also responded (on here I think) on the payment thing, the fact is that in 1997 gigs were few and far between, so in order to survive they requested an increase in pay. The fact that Greg Smith, the bassist RB here refers to was requested to stay on in Rainbow or Blackmore's Night, and even posing together posing for Burn Magazine after Doogie's firing, also sheds doubt on RB's account here.
Doogie had problems on certain gigs. I think he got the flu and lost a bit of his range and then Ritchie had his monitors cut out on some gigs so there was a reason why his performance wasn't always great. (Ritchie himself was never a consistent performer either as we all know too well.)
Why Ritchie would do this I don't know. And I don't know why Ritchie is suddenly so open about this either.
But there was something that must have happened between them. If you look at the early gigs and the promotion material you can see that they get along extremely well and have a lot of fun. Doogie was very good at improvising and catching up to what RB was doing. There were many great shows.
I can imagine DW being annoyed with RB dismissing his writing and having Candice involved. I can imagine there were problems with the new manager as well.
There was an interview from the 98-99 or so where Ritchie hinted he was putting together a new Rainbow (indicating that there would be a new singer with a smaller ego)..I'll see if I can find his exact words but it seemed like he had abandoned the idea of keeping DW.
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