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I'd put a few quid on him being prepared for a one off Purple gig for no other reason that he'd want to upstage Gillan.
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We should also remember RB has admitted many a time that he can't really remember the complicated passages of his songs. He has always jammed his way through his own material. RB has always admired Martin Barre from Jethro Tull as the songs are so complicated - he could never understand how MB could remember all of the parts.

What RB has always had has been the ability to improvise on the spot. I suggest he was pretty unique in that respect. On a good night he is unbeatable, he always joked that if he couldn't come up with anything he'd grab the bottleneck. He had his nights off too. So he has NEVER played a solo the same way twice.

So take a break of 20 years and try to remember your songs ... which you always jammed to! Nigh on impossible. Yes you can sit down and try to learn the parts ad verbatim, however, that isn't Blackmore is itemoticon

I suggest this is partly an explanation of his current playing ability / approach just now ..
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We should also remember RB has admitted many a time that he can't really remember the complicated passages of his songs. He has always jammed his way through his own material. RB has always admired Martin Barre from Jethro Tull as the songs are so complicated - he could never understand how MB could remember all of the parts.

What RB has always had has been the ability to improvise on the spot. I suggest he was pretty unique in that respect. On a good night he is unbeatable, he always joked that if he couldn't come up with anything he'd grab the bottleneck. He had his nights off too. So he has NEVER played a solo the same way twice.

So take a break of 20 years and try to remember your songs ... which you always jammed to! Nigh on impossible. Yes you can sit down and try to learn the parts ad verbatim, however, that isn't Blackmore is itemoticon

I suggest this is partly an explanation of his current playing ability / approach just now ..



Excuse me but that is simply bollocks. As past Purple/rainbow tours can attest they were always well-rehearsed affairs. Granted, they were always spots for improvisation, but they did play many complicated pieces which required rehearsals to get everything right, some songs arrangements or keys were also changed. In Doogie-era Rainbow for example LL R&R's key was changed to E, Black Night was played during a jam in the middle, they then came back to LL R&R and after a crashing chord sequence went to LL R&R chorus in the original key of G. All of this needed to be coordinated and rehearsed beforehand (with spectacular results!) During this time more complicated tracks like Black Masquerade and Hall of the Mountain King were also played which of course need to be rehearsed well.

It just can't be denied that if RB had chosen to rehearse with this band well, the results would have been infinitely better then what we had now.


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You both have a point, but what I would like to add is the issue of return on investment: you put together a lineup for Rainbow, that is supposed to: a) not record, b) play 3 dates, c) is comprised of people who are not on a salary with Rainbow but all have a multitude of other projects to make a living, all taking away available time.
In this context, you cannot rehearse for five weeks, it just does not make any economic sense.
And after that first time they have continued along the same [sign in to see URL] would have been different if, like in 1995, they had the plan to tour consistently and extensively, band members were full-time employed by the band and records were still a viable source of income.
Ah, Ritchie being 50 instead of 70+ would also have helped.
Mind you, this is not a criticism along the lines of "Ritchie is a cynical businessman who does not care about quality", it's really common sense from a business perspective.
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"In Doogie-era Rainbow for example LL R&R's key was changed to E, Black Night was played during a jam in the middle, they then came back to LL R&R and after a crashing chord sequence went to LL R&R chorus in the original key of G. All of this needed to be coordinated and rehearsed beforehand".

Actually that was never rehearsed that, its just a shuffle. That just evolved as we went on. We rehearsed the songs pretty straight. Beginning Middle End. Any improvisation, interpolation, extemporisation or any othey words we can think of for jamming was just that. We never rehearsed BN or SOTW WFT and others. The main set list including Stand and Fight was rehearsed for 2 weeks and we were in 2 hours before TMIB. But we read his signals and knew the songs from top to toe. Also he was a great inspired leader/conductor. Even when we changed drummers during rehearsals and Burgi can in we worked and worked. Ritchie, like Schenker now was having a resurgence in his playing performance at that time.
Thanks for letting me clear that up. Where were you all as I play small bars in Finland?
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You both have a point, but what I would like to add is the issue of return on investment: you put together a lineup for Rainbow, that is supposed to: a) not record, b) play 3 dates, c) is comprised of people who are not on a salary with Rainbow but all have a multitude of other projects to make a living, all taking away available time.
In this context, you cannot rehearse for five weeks, it just does not make any economic sense.
And after that first time they have continued along the same [sign in to see URL] would have been different if, like in 1995, they had the plan to tour consistently and extensively, band members were full-time employed by the band and records were still a viable source of income.
Ah, Ritchie being 50 instead of 70+ would also have helped.
Mind you, this is not a criticism along the lines of "Ritchie is a cynical businessman who does not care about quality", it's really common sense from a business perspective.



Then let´s adapt an attitude from Don Airey.... Don makes a set in some time advance and other guys in band have some time to "self-study" the material (if it´s new stuff or there is a change in band lineup) and band takes weekend for rehearsal, but it´s probably full scale rehearsal for hours and hours.
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A professional musician does not need weeks and weeks of rehearsals. For example Tom Morello replaced Miami Steve in the E Street Band for a tour of Australia and New Zealand. He was given a list of between 80-100 songs to learns for the tour, but told there would be curve ball, audience requests etc.
Now the Rainbow shows haven't deviated much over the last couple of years, so rehearsal time shouldn't be an issue, they all know the songs.
RB no longer plays like he did in his 20's, it is a simple as that.
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I throw in a quote of Bob Noveau the bass player into this discussion when he was asked about the rehearsals of the current line-up:

What was the rehearsal process like for the three summer gigs?

There were two segments of rehearsal and they were not rigorous. We hung out, played a little, ate dinner and played a little more. It just followed suit with Ritchie—he set the mood like, “I just want to have fun and that’s what it’s going to be.” There were people who were happy to see him come back after so many years and there were other people looking to scrutinize this from top to bottom.

Was it daunting to go from such a loose rehearsal atmosphere to big festival shows?

We walked onto those stages not having done one show—this band was put together on paper. We walked onto a festival stage with no soundcheck, there were frequencies cascading all over the stage and I had to play bass through that. It takes a little grounding. Luckily I have enough years of experience to be able to play through it with a smile on my face. Those are the distractions that can affect your playing and performance and it did affect mine a little bit, but I concentrated. Otherwise I would’ve been jumping around the stage a bit more.

Were you expected to learn the Rainbow and Deep Purple tunes note-for-note or were you able to inject some of your own personality?

If you hear what I was playing, I covered the basics and put myself into the songs. Ritchie comes from that camp. His legacy goes back to when bands changed the rules on songwriting. Songs emerged out of a band jamming for a long time together. They jammed on songs for a long time at those early shows. There were songs that went on for 15 minutes, like “Catch the Rainbow.” That changed the rules in the late ‘60s and ‘70s for what was happening in pop music. He was the grandfather of all that stuff.


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A professional musician does not need weeks and weeks of rehearsals.



Cozy Powell's reason for leaving Michael Schenker Group was too many rehearsals - he said "you don't rehearse heavy metal" in an interview when he was asked about leaving MSG in his Whitesnake days.

When Midge Ure filled in on guitar for Thin Lizzy after Gary Moore left (during Black Rose tour) he learned the set on a transatlantic flight by listening to the Live and Dangerous album.

I think these are exceptions though. I've enjoyed the shows over the last three years, but a few extra rehearsals would have helped improve the weak points in the set - e.g. the ending (or lack of it) to All Night Long.

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There are only a few points where the set feels under rehearsed. They got the end of PS right finally, Difficult to cure is precise as I imagine RB would insist.
For me the band is pretty tight, it’s Ritchie who’s making the mistakes. He acknowledged this in Prague a few times in a jokey manner, so presumably he’s not too bothered.

It is what it is, if you don’t like it go and listen to Purple.
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