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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.



all those criteria you could apply to Gillan but that doesn't stop you piling into him!




As others have mentioned Gillan started losing it at 35!!!Blackers has lost a lot in recent years Gillan had lost a lot at half that age.

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But the voice is more sensitive so the comparison is rather weak. Once the range is gone there isn't much you can do, while you can do a lot as a guitar player to compensate for the lack of speed.
I also don't agree that RB lost a lot in the recent years. He certainly did, but it started a lot earlier. Ritchie was a fast and precise player in the early 70s. Untouchable. But in the 80s he became very sloppy and it was like he didn't even bother... He never became the player again that he was in the 70s even if there were some truly fantastic moments in the 90s. (where he compensated for the lack of speed and precision by playing interesting and creative solos.)

Ritchie may be 73 now, and won't play like he did when he was 25. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to expect him to try to do his best, and make the proper preparations before the shows -like rehearsing, getting used to the electric guitar again (if that is the problem), listening to the old albums and learning the songs. I don't think that is asking too much.

If long flights is a problem for his back, then I would suggest that he books the longer flights a few days in advance so he has a few more days to rest, getting a massage and getting in shape for the shows.
He should also consider doing what Robert Fripp has done since the beginning: sit down and play. I mean he isn't running across the stage anymore. He just stands there. He could as well sit down as far as I'm concerned if it would help him to play better.

The other thing is that he should work on his sound. The sound is dull and really adds to the impression that you are listening to someone who is old and tired. A little more sustain would help.
Ritchie may very well have health problems but as I see it he also makes it unnecessary hard for himself.
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But the voice is more sensitive so the comparison is rather weak. Once the range is gone there isn't much you can do, while you can do a lot as a guitar player to compensate for the lack of speed.
I also don't agree that RB lost a lot in the recent years. He certainly did, but it started a lot earlier. Ritchie was a fast and precise player in the early 70s. Untouchable. But in the 80s he became very sloppy and it was like he didn't even bother... He never became the player again that he was in the 70s even if there were some truly fantastic moments in the 90s. (where he compensated for the lack of speed and precision by playing interesting and creative solos.)

Ritchie may be 73 now, and won't play like he did when he was 25. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to expect him to try to do his best, and make the proper preparations before the shows -like rehearsing, getting used to the electric guitar again (if that is the problem), listening to the old albums and learning the songs. I don't think that is asking too much.

If long flights is a problem for his back, then I would suggest that he books the longer flights a few days in advance so he has a few more days to rest, getting a massage and getting in shape for the shows.
He should also consider doing what Robert Fripp has done since the beginning: sit down and play. I mean he isn't running across the stage anymore. He just stands there. He could as well sit down as far as I'm concerned if it would help him to play better.

The other thing is that he should work on his sound. The sound is dull and really adds to the impression that you are listening to someone who is old and tired. A little more sustain would help.
Ritchie may very well have health problems but as I see it he also makes it unnecessary hard for himself.



I never made the comparison in the first place??PS did !!
At the end of the day Blackers is now an old man well past his prime, whats the problem in that ?Listen if you like it ,or don't listen if you dont ,who really cares at this stage of the game?Cant see the point of endless debates on what RB has lost or indeed the reasons why?The reason is quite simple its AGE!! It affects more than the physical body it also affects the mind and the desire to do things.
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I agree with LITB0, and as long as it is entertaining as it was tonight, with Ritchie clearly into it and guiding the show, I don't really care.
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But the voice is more sensitive so the comparison is rather weak. Once the range is gone there isn't much you can do, while you can do a lot as a guitar player to compensate for the lack of speed.
I also don't agree that RB lost a lot in the recent years. He certainly did, but it started a lot earlier. Ritchie was a fast and precise player in the early 70s. Untouchable. But in the 80s he became very sloppy and it was like he didn't even bother... He never became the player again that he was in the 70s even if there were some truly fantastic moments in the 90s. (where he compensated for the lack of speed and precision by playing interesting and creative solos.)

Ritchie may be 73 now, and won't play like he did when he was 25. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to expect him to try to do his best, and make the proper preparations before the shows -like rehearsing, getting used to the electric guitar again (if that is the problem), listening to the old albums and learning the songs. I don't think that is asking too much.

If long flights is a problem for his back, then I would suggest that he books the longer flights a few days in advance so he has a few more days to rest, getting a massage and getting in shape for the shows.
He should also consider doing what Robert Fripp has done since the beginning: sit down and play. I mean he isn't running across the stage anymore. He just stands there. He could as well sit down as far as I'm concerned if it would help him to play better.

The other thing is that he should work on his sound. The sound is dull and really adds to the impression that you are listening to someone who is old and tired. A little more sustain would help.
Ritchie may very well have health problems but as I see it he also makes it unnecessary hard for himself.



Fully agree.

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I still think that the main problem is that RB quit playin Rock and roll for 20 years, and that's where and when he lost his edge.

Had he continued to play R'n'R once in a while he'd be just as able as Brian May, Jeff Beck, Tony Iommi and all the other guys from his generation.

He simply lost his edge by playing the minstrel in the pink castles surrounded by troubadours and princesses!




Indeed..

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I am just grateful that RB and Gillan are still doing their thing.
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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.



I was about to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

Who knows what health issues these guys have at their ages? It's obvious from watching Ritchie lifting the guitar up during the set that he has issues with his back and possibly neck.

I'm happy to take it for what it is, and cast a less critical eye over it than I would have done when both he and I were younger.

Musicians of that generation will be gone before too long and I value the chances I have to see them perform.




Excellent point. When I was a teenager I played guitar in a local band (badly). My youngest daughter has been having guitar lessons for last 12 months now (she is now seven) and I fetched my old guitar/amp etc. from my parents to give to her for when she is older. I could barely pick up the guitar, it is heavier than I could ever have imagined.
I am over 20 years younger that RB, much of his current playing style/ability must be at least in part due to this. I have had a history of back problems since my early 20's, I doubt if I could hold the guitar for any length of time, much less play it.



Surely you get lightweight guitars nowadays? It isn`t as if he needs to have the sound he did years ago with a certain guitar is it? Even back then he might have played shockingly bad even with a great tone on the guitar if he wasn`t in the mood. I just want to see him focussed and playing/improvising well, drop the really fast tricky stuff if need be, but there are obvious back problems and I think he is offsetting this by drinking or maybe taking medication, not great really.

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No, you don't get lightweight guitars - you can certainly sort them by weight, but at most you can have half a kg less than average weight, nothing to write home about.
For all the talk about the digital age, the electric guitar is a very stable and mature technology, steeped in the 1950s, and not much has really changed since then.
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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.



I was about to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

Who knows what health issues these guys have at their ages? It's obvious from watching Ritchie lifting the guitar up during the set that he has issues with his back and possibly neck.

I'm happy to take it for what it is, and cast a less critical eye over it than I would have done when both he and I were younger.

Musicians of that generation will be gone before too long and I value the chances I have to see them perform.




Excellent point. When I was a teenager I played guitar in a local band (badly). My youngest daughter has been having guitar lessons for last 12 months now (she is now seven) and I fetched my old guitar/amp etc. from my parents to give to her for when she is older. I could barely pick up the guitar, it is heavier than I could ever have imagined.
I am over 20 years younger that RB, much of his current playing style/ability must be at least in part due to this. I have had a history of back problems since my early 20's, I doubt if I could hold the guitar for any length of time, much less play it.



Surely you get lightweight guitars nowadays? It isn`t as if he needs to have the sound he did years ago with a certain guitar is it? Even back then he might have played shockingly bad even with a great tone on the guitar if he wasn`t in the mood. I just want to see him focussed and playing/improvising well, drop the really fast tricky stuff if need be, but there are obvious back problems and I think he is offsetting this by drinking or maybe taking medication, not great really.




So far there is no such thing as a lightweight guitar (apart from an acoustic of course).
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