BagShotBullets
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In my view, what ruins a lot of bootlegs is precisely the fidelity (what was heard being played on the night), coupled with the technical limitations of the recording device. Even if we assume such limitations are today less relevant, the fidelity means that if the acoustics of the place are horrid, you will hear a mess; if the mix is wrong, you will miss certain players or hear too much of others; you could have a boomy bass or piercing highs....all of this, in an official release, is cleaned up and balanced properly - it does not mean that notes are overdubbed, simply that what was played is put in the best possible light. And that is why both are true, but one is more pleasing than the other. Then of course there are overdubs, but that's bordering on cheating...depending on how much you tamper.
As you will be fully aware a lot of "live" Albums are very often anything but "live" and frequently totally overdubbed in the studio later. For that reason I do not trust them at all, they do not show what they could actually play, they show what the WISH they could have played but didn't. SO anyone can make their "live" performance appear perfect if they overdub it, but reality is they aren't as good performers as they pretend to be. Its false, fakery!
Indeed as I recall our hero Mr Blackmore released an BN "Live" album I think it was "Past Time With Good Company" or a similar title, ages back. During the recording they forgot to record "16th Century Greensleeves". So they recorded it later, allegedly in a theatre( like I believe that ...eh not!) complete with Double tracked guitar and audience applause and stuck it out as part of their "Live Album". Utter bullshit, cheating, fakery or whatever else you use to describe deceit of that sort.
Regardless of the audio quality of the YT recordings, they tell you 100% what they played on the night. The "fidelity" or lack of it is Not responsible for bad timing, missed cues, bum notes, singers off pitch or any of the other things that afflict their performance. That is basically a similar argument to the "the poor recording made them make all these mistakes" or worse still "the recording made the mistakes" it's nonsense. The YT clips of the recent Rainbow gigs have shown exactly how poor some of the performance actually was, as well as how good some of it also was. It showed how they hadn't rehearsed enough, how Blackmore was behind the pace, how some of the endings were a shambles( perfect strangers being a classic f*ck-up) etc etc etc They could have attempted to fix that in the studio, but it was so poor they would have had to re-record the whole track from start to finish.
Anyway I'd like to think that once and for all people would stop suggesting, hinting or saying that YT recordings show anything other that what they actually played on the night the recording was made. That is exactly and precisely what YT recording show, what they played how they played it and what they did, on the actual night, at the actual gig, not sometime later in a nice controlled studio environment.
Again not the atmosphere, not the "fidelity", the physical performance, the good, they bad and the ugly, all there for all to see and hear.
Agreed the YT recordings are NOT the same as being at the gig. At the gig because of the "atmosphere" you miss many of the details of the playing which is fine, but not so seeing it with out the "atmosphere" on YT the next day. Then you realise it wasn't the perfection you thought it was when you came out the gig.
Shockingly most of these pro-bands, that actually play live as opposed to miming to tracks, make plenty of mistakes and are far from perfect. That's good, because its real and shows they are actually playing it live. Playing to Tracks they don't make mistakes, but its just fake! Long Live YT and f*ck these faked up studio overdubbed / re-recorded fake "live" albums.
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3/4/2018, 22:52
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Re: Looks like no US Rainbow shows for this year again
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I struggle to express this properly 
Yes, a YT is 100% what happened on the night. Very often more so than an official release, where the majority are indeed fixed up in the studio.
Still; it's not a fair (?) snapshot of what happens in the arena.
If I was to take a picture of the view from my house, but the lense had some filth / dirt on it, it would still be an accurate picture of what's actually there. That's the view. End of story.
If I clean the lense and take a new picture, it's still the same view, but a more fair representation of what the view is really like.
Does that make sense?
I get what you are saying......
I totally agree that the YT does not capture the "atmosphere" at the gig. The "feel good" factor, the excitement of the crowd and maybe yourself at the gig. Being there in the arena, means you leave the gig thinking you've just seen playing perfection. You haven't but it feels that way, I get it, I've done it too!
I also agree that the sound will vary from the arena sound, depending on where the recorder was sited. However the sound will also vary depending on where you are standing in the arena at the gig.
BUT...........
None of that changes what they actually played, that will be exactly as recorded and uploaded to YT, mistakes, warts, good and bad alike.
Anyway hopefully if they ever play any USA gigs these will be better again, as they will have had more experience together as a band and maybe more rehearsals too.
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3/4/2018, 23:03
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