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I am so glad I didn't subscribe to seeing Deep Purple on this current tour.
I watched the BBC2 show with my mrs. We have been going to DP shows for over 40 years and have seen a slow decline.
Ok, I know they are getting on a bit but Jesus!! Watching this BBC thing was painful.
Musically they still pretty much have it. Don and Steve especially but as for Ian Gillan? Very amateurish. His voice is pretty bad, even for a 70 plus year old, Tom Jones can still belt out a tune at 77. But, it's not even that for [sign in to see URL]'s reading the words out of an on stage book. That to me is so unprofessional and embarrassing to watch.
DP have been my favourite band since I was at school back in the 1970s so it hurts to see the singer like this and the band making plod along music just to cater for Ian Gillans lack of range.
I think they have gone on for maybe 5 years too long and just wish they would hang up their instruments now. emoticon
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Totally agree Garth,
for me they have went on 10 years too long.
to be fair though the last couple of albums have been decent if mid tempo
but as a live act ??Nah no thanks ,well past their primes sadly and not worth the money anymore
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I am so glad I didn't subscribe to seeing Deep Purple on this current tour.
I watched the BBC2 show with my mrs. We have been going to DP shows for over 40 years and have seen a slow decline.
Ok, I know they are getting on a bit but Jesus!! Watching this BBC thing was painful.
Musically they still pretty much have it. Don and Steve especially but as for Ian Gillan? Very amateurish. His voice is pretty bad, even for a 70 plus year old, Tom Jones can still belt out a tune at 77. But, it's not even that for [sign in to see URL]'s reading the words out of an on stage book. That to me is so unprofessional and embarrassing to watch.
DP have been my favourite band since I was at school back in the 1970s so it hurts to see the singer like this and the band making plod along music just to cater for Ian Gillans lack of range.
I think they have gone on for maybe 5 years too long and just wish they would hang up their instruments now. emoticon





NOT what I witnessed in Oslo...
I got a Surprising if ever. A positive one.
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Gillan has been having problems with his voice and with remembering his lyrics for decades. Even when Blackmore was still in the band - and as we know, this is one of the reasons why Blackmore isn't with them any more.

The only reason why Gillan still is in the band is because he is part of the DP lecagy's kernel, the Mk II lineup. Without him, just two Mk II members would remain - those two whose role is rather backing than standing in the focus. Interestingly, Gillan's loyal fanbase keeps forgiving him all those shows with crappy voice or forgotten lyrics (or reading them from some sheet). There have always been enough excuses - having a cold or other health issues, suffering from air conditioning in the aeroplane or hotel room, having done too many shows in a row, having the wrong songs in the set or - in Blackmore days - not being able to sing because Blackmore was looking grumpily.

Now it's too late to change something, they're facing the end. Turner's departure in 1992 would have been the right time to find another singer. When Blackmore left, they had no other choice but carrying on with Gillan to keep the legacy some kind of alive.
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Musically, the band are still great and can still produce some good stuff. Gillan is the weak link. Unfortunately, he's there until the end now as DP could and would not replace him now.
It will be interesting to see what they do when Deep Purple finally call it a day.
Morse has other projects and will go on for years.
Airey will always get work. As for the big 3?
Hmmm.
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Gillan has been having problems with his voice and with remembering his lyrics for decades. Even when Blackmore was still in the band - and as we know, this is one of the reasons why Blackmore isn't with them any more.

The only reason why Gillan still is in the band is because he is part of the DP lecagy's kernel, the Mk II lineup. Without him, just two Mk II members would remain - those two whose role is rather backing than standing in the focus. Interestingly, Gillan's loyal fanbase keeps forgiving him all those shows with crappy voice or forgotten lyrics (or reading them from some sheet). There have always been enough excuses - having a cold or other health issues, suffering from air conditioning in the aeroplane or hotel room, having done too many shows in a row, having the wrong songs in the set or - in Blackmore days - not being able to sing because Blackmore was looking grumpily.

Now it's too late to change something, they're facing the end. Turner's departure in 1992 would have been the right time to find another singer. When Blackmore left, they had no other choice but carrying on with Gillan to keep the legacy some kind of alive.




It's funny but you are in such a minority here. Most people understand the age they (the band) are in and enjoy what they get, just a few whinging poms/germans/whatever left now.
The vibe in Oslo between band/crowd was very emotional and warm.
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Musically, the band are still great and can still produce some good stuff. Gillan is the weak link. Unfortunately, he's there until the end now as DP could and would not replace him now.
It will be interesting to see what they do when Deep Purple finally call it a day.
Morse has other projects and will go on for years.
Airey will always get work. As for the big 3?
Hmmm.



Maybe they will finally do what you and me would do? Retire..? emoticon
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It's funny but you are in such a minority here. Most people understand the age they (the band) are in and enjoy what they get, just a few whinging poms/germans/whatever left now.
The vibe in Oslo between band/crowd was very emotional and warm.


a) It has nothing to do with my nationality.

b) Of course the people who visit the shows enjoy it. Otherwise they wouldn't go. Those who wouldn't enjoy it stay away.

c) For someone who is 72, age may be a valid excuse for having problems with his voice dand forgetting lyrics. But as I said, all that was already apparent more thean 20 years ago.
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I´ll repeat what I recently wrote into one DP facebook group - what IG does regarding his books of lyrics is NOTHING new and NOTHING outstanding regarding greatest rock acts. What is different in IG´s case that he does it in old-school and fairly limited way (he use it only for "new" songs and in some cases for limited period - he stopped to use lyrics sheets for Vincent Price or Apres Vous after some part because he remembered those songs already...), not in "modern" way with LCD panels where lyrics to each song goes exactly as singer needs - usually with pointing out stuff like "- solo follows" etc. The fact is that it´s actually just about lack of knowledge that it´s absolutely common in concert industry.

IG has lyrics of sheets on stage and for BBC he had a stand with lyrics too. Look at Live at Australia 06 DVD from Glenn Hughes - he has precisely the SAME thing and use it during the performance, and what´s surprising? For new songs from at that time M4TD album.

Rolling Stones have LCD displays on various sections of stage with lyrics going on screen, Paul McCartney has the same thing and he even checks up how next Hey Jude verse is going on (just see below)... You are making issue from something which simply isnt issue at all. Let me go to history - Aloha From Hawaii and The King Elvis Presley himself. Did you ever know that he sang first part of My Way (he never remembered that part well and in later years he sang it with lyrics sheet in his hand) and singing lyrics from lyrics sheet which was placed on stand in front of Charlie Hodge? Did you ever know that he had people who had posters with complete lyrics to songs he wasnt used to sing yet (I´ll Remember You and Welcome To My World) because they were just too new for him? Three videos for all:

EP doing Burning Love with lyrics in his hand in 72:
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My Way from Aloha (notice that stand in front of Charlie Hodge and EP checking the lyrics during whole first verse regularly):
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PMcC checking Hey Jude lyrics during various phases of the song (everytime he looks to the "right down" corner - he has little LCD panel at his piano there*):
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Mick Jagger has video screens with lyrics...:
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About GH using PRECISELY the same thing as IG does:
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Really what a bunch of "amateurs". emoticon You are trying to make "something" from nothing!

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b) Of course the people who visit the shows enjoy it. Otherwise they wouldn't go. Those who wouldn't enjoy it stay away.




C'mon, that's nonsense! How many shows have you been to where afterwards you shook yourself and said "Oh, that was lousy!"?

I haven't seen the BBC show, so I can't judge that. But I have seen the Stuttgart (see, I'm also from Germany ;-) )show earlier this year and was completely blown away as was the rest of the audience. So there were several thousand people who enjoyed that Purple haven't retired yet.
But here you have a club of some people who are sitting in their comfy chair happy bashing Purple in general and Gillan in persona. I was nearly (just nearly) worried that somethin had happened to LitB, but no, he still can repeat his old phrases. Other still pray to Blackmore which seems to imply bashing Gillan as form of devotion.
 Hey, of course they have lost a lot, but there are still plenty of people who enjoy their shows! And compared to the show in Regensburg in 2013, Stuttgart was way better! So I'm glad they continued!
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