Desperateheart
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Re: Big re-release of 1987...
SFTH sounds good on that demo form, Evolutions is great from what I’ve heard so far……interesting YGBMHA didn’t make the final listing. It’s strong enough in my view.
Must listen this SOTN remix with the new middle!? Sykes, did say around the time of the release that this was radically different.
I’d liked to have purchased that Rock Candy issue, quite happy to pay, but if I recall was fiddly to place the order so didn’t bother. Sykes hasn’t provided a lot of detail re 1987 over the years on the material, despite playing at least 4 tracks on his solo tours.
Does anyone have a transcript to share?
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Perfectly Strange wrote:
I bought the Rock Candy magazine-that was the source of the quotes on Blabbermouth-Rock Candy Magazine and Sykes claims most of the glory for the album.
Some quotes;
"I had lots of riffs and ideas for songs"
"All of these things..[Dio in '83, Ozzy in '80, Van Halen] gave me the vision for where i thought we should be going sonically"
"I wanted Tommy Aldridge [to replace Cozy] but they [TA & DC] didn't get along"
"I think i irritated Aynsley. I would literally sing him the way i believed he should do his drum parts"
"I don't believe [David] had any clue what we should sound like"
"I pushed David towards a sound that could make Whitesnake big news out there [USA]"
"In the end I went to Kalodner and said we should get Keith Olsen in"
" It [87] turned out well and..went a long way to reflecting my vision.."
King of easy to see why JS became a bit of a pain in the a*se
So it sounds like Sykes should be added to the list of people who believe they were responsible for 1987's success alongside Kalodner, Marty Callner, and Tawny. DC, of course, played no part whatsoever.......
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Re: Big re-release of 1987...
DC did seem to be in limbo at the time, perhaps not convinced of the changes underway, Sykes does seem to have taken control, along Mike Stone, until DC wrestled in back in the end.
I guess contractually he still held the reigns, despite Sykes having negotiated a 50/50 split for the LP credits.
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1987's success was all down to Bernie Marsden for HIGA and of course Dan Huff
http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1021126,1021126
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Re: Big re-release of 1987...
Crying in the Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD584DMdPZY
I wonder who DC is talking about here in "early" WS "laughing" about the song. I figure one is Micky who else though? Bernie?
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In this clip, I think DC is being pretty disrespectful to early WS and the musicians involved. Selective memory perhaps? Next, DC will be telling us that the re-recorded FFYL was far superior to the original, or that the original musicians couldn't recreate his vision for the song.
I can't help but think that the re-issued 1987 project has led DC back down the path of believing that this is the only era of WS that matters. It was a moment in time, albeit a very successful one- but there's far more to the WS legacy than this one album. Unfortunately (especially for those of us who enjoyed the 6 albums WS made before this), this era has pretty much defined DC's direction for WS ever since.
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The mask has to slip sometimes Old Timer5! From the commentary for each song so far then I think DC just got a bit bored of saying tis a love song, so went off on one.
Probably a better story than he was told by Geffin to re-do an old song. He didn't want to at the time. They didn't have anything better cos him and Sykes in two years wrote relatively little (quality not quantity) But did it. And they were right. And Dunbar/Murray/Sykes being good players did a good job as did DC.
Like we all do a little DC is allowing history to revise thinking. Murray and Dunbar stopped getting paid & then had to get lawyers to access the millions of pounds he essentially says Cozy threw away. They took 2 painful years from Rock in Rio to getting anywhere near a final album. The relationships sounded toxic and DC being ill with his voice must have been terrible for him.
Maybe in two years time we'll get some more DC insight into why/how he allowed Vai/production to ruin Slip of the Tongue. Probably all Geffins fault when it goes less successful...
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jmorton wrote:
Crying in the Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD584DMdPZY
I wonder who DC is talking about here in "early" WS "laughing" about the song. I figure one is Micky who else though? Bernie?
It's well known that DC turned around at one show and found Moody and Marsden giggling during Ain't No Love. I don't know if this is a mixing up of stories. The band didn't like Crying in the Rain at first, they thought it was too heavy. Although I think DC should revise his thoughts on the classic lineup I think he has a point when he says they stopped trying, although it is also true to say they weren't paid very much compared to him, Lord etc so the incentives probably wore a bit thin for them.
But the proof about early Whitesnake is in those recordings (well, some of them) and in the memories of those rather brilliant live shows. They were, at times, brilliant.
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I prefer 1982 version of the song. And I really like the performances from 1982/83, very much due to the Lord's wonderfull playing. It's also interesting how the song evolved during 1984 line-up changing ending up with Rock in Rio, wich inspired 1987 version. The 1987 cover has its own merits, especially, in my opinion, demo version (I think the band had a great live potential with Don Airey).
I don't think David was told to remake Crying in the rain. He was occasionally telling the audience in 1984 on their plans to re-recording the song.
And, alhough I do prefer pre-1987 musical and image approach, I don't agree Vai ruined SOTT. On the contrary! And that counts at least 'till I don't hear the SOTH demos David promissed years ago.
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Srdja_ws; I'm probably doing Vai a bit of disservice yes. Was the whole band, (not Vandenberg)and the production. I just think compare SoTT to to something like Slide it In (not whether you like the songs but more did that song sound as good as it could have done) and I think the end product was well below par. That wasn't just Vai I accept.
Back to Crying in the Rain and Bernie had a fond/funny memory of the original recording of song and the recording in his book - see p191/2. A contrast to Sir David.
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