Big re-release of 1987... https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t19135 Runboard| Big re-release of 1987... en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:28:20 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:28:20 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p514782,from=rss#post514782https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p514782,from=rss#post514782Have to say a few months on and the evolutions disk has lasted on my playlist far longer than I thought. They actually sound like a band playing (which of course is what they were doing!) & Dunbar, Sykes and Murray sound all the better for it. And songs like Still of the Night are absolute belters in this format. What with the 'I hear the bells ringing' & 'dance like a chicken', I'm loving it more than the actual album version!nondisclosed_email@example.com (stuartcuk)Mon, 19 Mar 2018 00:51:56 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513663,from=rss#post513663https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513663,from=rss#post513663Interesting comments from DC about Looking for Love. I'll never understand how it didn't make it onto the album, and glad to hear that's DC's decision as well! It was Kalodner's decision apparently. How Kalodner (or anyone for that matter) could decide Children of the Night should be on the album and Looking for Love left off it is beyond me. Looking for Love is (IMHO) one of DC's greatest vocal performances and had the song been a little shorter, could have been another big hit. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:50:56 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513602,from=rss#post513602https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513602,from=rss#post513602quote:jmorton wrote: quote:purpletemple wrote: I agree with DC on that one. CitR 's 1987 is way better than the original version for me (and that's the ONLY remake which I love more than the original). I also agree that if the leader of a band has a "vision" (and that vision proved to be a good one in terms of success), then he should move on and get musicians who embrace that vision as well. I tend to agree with this. I don't like the 1987 as a whole but listening to the new collection has given me a ... I guess appreciation about what was going on during that time. As for CitR ... the 87 version I think fits DC's vision of the song more than the earlier version. I suppose we need to take into context what was going on during the Saints & Sinners album and how generally the whole process was unhappy for everyone involved. I suppose it's easier to make your recollections of a massive financial success (1987) positive to one that wasn't so much (S&S). The mind clouds with positive results but both album creations were really unhappy times for Coverdale. It's amazing how that happens. As far as the re-issue goes it's been remarkable how much I've seen that album around in 2017. It truly was a cultural phenomenon in the US and I suppose we need to sit back and appreciate that, at least for one album Coverdale was able to hit it out of the park commercially. Regardless of it's artistic merits. As for it's artistic merits. Of the genre "hair metal" it stands out for it's power (Sykes) and it's voice (Coverdale). It's of it's time but it's also NOT. Slip of the Tongue is very much a hair metal album and where DC lost the plot completely ... but 1987 stands apart. I rarely came back to revisit it but ... I have to say I appreciate it more 30 years later. It's a tremendous package (live disk and video DVD aside) and I'm glad I made the purchase I've never considered 1987 a Hair Metal album. Back then when the album came out, it was just (for me) another WS album. I had been slightly disappointed by SLide it in, but I thought 1987 was just awesome (still do). I suppose the fact that the 1987 sleeve doesn't have any pictures, and the fact that I rarely watched MTV back then, helped me seeing this album as a regular Hard rock album, and not some MTV/ Hair metal product. Plus I don't think 1987 sounds like Hair Metal, the sound is fat and muddy and has little to do with Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Mötley Crüe, Poison and other glam/ hair metal bands of the time. Anyway, because I've always stayed away from the TV and most Rock magazines, I think it allowed me to listen to 1987 and appreciate it for a straight Hard Rock album and not a part of a specific movement. Not to mention that the musicianship on this album is just one of the best in Hard Rock. nondisclosed_email@example.com (purpletemple)Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:45:07 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513597,from=rss#post513597https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513597,from=rss#post513597First mention of Kalodner with Looking for Love. Guess the chance that this is a positive reference from DC...nondisclosed_email@example.com (stuartcuk)Wed, 22 Nov 2017 21:32:56 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513595,from=rss#post513595https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513595,from=rss#post513595quote:purpletemple wrote: I agree with DC on that one. CitR 's 1987 is way better than the original version for me (and that's the ONLY remake which I love more than the original). I also agree that if the leader of a band has a "vision" (and that vision proved to be a good one in terms of success), then he should move on and get musicians who embrace that vision as well. I tend to agree with this. I don't like the 1987 as a whole but listening to the new collection has given me a ... I guess appreciation about what was going on during that time. As for CitR ... the 87 version I think fits DC's vision of the song more than the earlier version. I suppose we need to take into context what was going on during the Saints & Sinners album and how generally the whole process was unhappy for everyone involved. I suppose it's easier to make your recollections of a massive financial success (1987) positive to one that wasn't so much (S&S). The mind clouds with positive results but both album creations were really unhappy times for Coverdale. It's amazing how that happens. As far as the re-issue goes it's been remarkable how much I've seen that album around in 2017. It truly was a cultural phenomenon in the US and I suppose we need to sit back and appreciate that, at least for one album Coverdale was able to hit it out of the park commercially. Regardless of it's artistic merits. As for it's artistic merits. Of the genre "hair metal" it stands out for it's power (Sykes) and it's voice (Coverdale). It's of it's time but it's also NOT. Slip of the Tongue is very much a hair metal album and where DC lost the plot completely ... but 1987 stands apart. I rarely came back to revisit it but ... I have to say I appreciate it more 30 years later. It's a tremendous package (live disk and video DVD aside) and I'm glad I made the purchasenondisclosed_email@example.com (jmorton)Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:51:15 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513589,from=rss#post513589https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513589,from=rss#post513589I agree with DC on that one. CitR 's 1987 is way better than the original version for me (and that's the ONLY remake which I love more than the original). I also agree that if the leader of a band has a "vision" (and that vision proved to be a good one in terms of success), then he should move on and get musicians who embrace that vision as well.nondisclosed_email@example.com (purpletemple)Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:26:48 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513578,from=rss#post513578https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513578,from=rss#post513578Srdja_ws; I'm probably doing Vai a bit of disservice yes. Was the whole band, (not Vandenberg)and the production. I just think compare SoTT to to something like Slide it In (not whether you like the songs but more did that song sound as good as it could have done) and I think the end product was well below par. That wasn't just Vai I accept. Back to Crying in the Rain and Bernie had a fond/funny memory of the original recording of song and the recording in his book - see p191/2. A contrast to Sir David. nondisclosed_email@example.com (stuartcuk)Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:55:04 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513572,from=rss#post513572https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513572,from=rss#post513572I prefer 1982 version of the song. And I really like the performances from 1982/83, very much due to the Lord's wonderfull playing. It's also interesting how the song evolved during 1984 line-up changing ending up with Rock in Rio, wich inspired 1987 version. The 1987 cover has its own merits, especially, in my opinion, demo version (I think the band had a great live potential with Don Airey). I don't think David was told to remake Crying in the rain. He was occasionally telling the audience in 1984 on their plans to re-recording the song. And, alhough I do prefer pre-1987 musical and image approach, I don't agree Vai ruined SOTT. On the contrary! And that counts at least 'till I don't hear the SOTH demos David promissed years ago.  nondisclosed_email@example.com (srdja ws)Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:14:46 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513570,from=rss#post513570https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513570,from=rss#post513570quote:jmorton wrote: Crying in the Rain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD584DMdPZY I wonder who DC is talking about here in "early" WS "laughing" about the song. I figure one is Micky who else though? Bernie? It's well known that DC turned around at one show and found Moody and Marsden giggling during Ain't No Love. I don't know if this is a mixing up of stories. The band didn't like Crying in the Rain at first, they thought it was too heavy. Although I think DC should revise his thoughts on the classic lineup I think he has a point when he says they stopped trying, although it is also true to say they weren't paid very much compared to him, Lord etc so the incentives probably wore a bit thin for them. But the proof about early Whitesnake is in those recordings (well, some of them) and in the memories of those rather brilliant live shows. They were, at times, brilliant. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Wojak)Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:34:31 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513567,from=rss#post513567https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513567,from=rss#post513567The mask has to slip sometimes Old Timer5! From the commentary for each song so far then I think DC just got a bit bored of saying tis a love song, so went off on one. Probably a better story than he was told by Geffin to re-do an old song. He didn't want to at the time. They didn't have anything better cos him and Sykes in two years wrote relatively little (quality not quantity) But did it. And they were right. And Dunbar/Murray/Sykes being good players did a good job as did DC. Like we all do a little DC is allowing history to revise thinking. Murray and Dunbar stopped getting paid & then had to get lawyers to access the millions of pounds he essentially says Cozy threw away. They took 2 painful years from Rock in Rio to getting anywhere near a final album. The relationships sounded toxic and DC being ill with his voice must have been terrible for him. Maybe in two years time we'll get some more DC insight into why/how he allowed Vai/production to ruin Slip of the Tongue. Probably all Geffins fault when it goes less successful...nondisclosed_email@example.com (stuartcuk)Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:53:12 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513562,from=rss#post513562https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513562,from=rss#post513562In this clip, I think DC is being pretty disrespectful to early WS and the musicians involved. Selective memory perhaps? Next, DC will be telling us that the re-recorded FFYL was far superior to the original, or that the original musicians couldn't recreate his vision for the song. I can't help but think that the re-issued 1987 project has led DC back down the path of believing that this is the only era of WS that matters. It was a moment in time, albeit a very successful one- but there's far more to the WS legacy than this one album. Unfortunately (especially for those of us who enjoyed the 6 albums WS made before this), this era has pretty much defined DC's direction for WS ever since. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Tue, 21 Nov 2017 08:59:21 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513543,from=rss#post513543https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513543,from=rss#post513543Crying in the Rain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD584DMdPZY I wonder who DC is talking about here in "early" WS "laughing" about the song. I figure one is Micky who else though? Bernie?nondisclosed_email@example.com (jmorton)Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:55:53 +0000 Re: Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513453,from=rss#post513453https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513453,from=rss#post5134531987's success was all down to Bernie Marsden for HIGA and of course Dan Huff http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1021126,1021126nondisclosed_email@example.com (stuartcuk)Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:57:37 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513450,from=rss#post513450https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513450,from=rss#post513450DC did seem to be in limbo at the time, perhaps not convinced of the changes underway, Sykes does seem to have taken control, along Mike Stone, until DC wrestled in back in the end. I guess contractually he still held the reigns, despite Sykes having negotiated a 50/50 split for the LP credits. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Desperateheart)Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:27:21 +0000 Re: Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513449,from=rss#post513449https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513449,from=rss#post513449quote:Perfectly Strange wrote: I bought the Rock Candy magazine-that was the source of the quotes on Blabbermouth-Rock Candy Magazine and Sykes claims most of the glory for the album. Some quotes; "I had lots of riffs and ideas for songs" "All of these things..[Dio in '83, Ozzy in '80, Van Halen] gave me the vision for where i thought we should be going sonically" "I wanted Tommy Aldridge [to replace Cozy] but they [TA & DC] didn't get along" "I think i irritated Aynsley. I would literally sing him the way i believed he should do his drum parts" "I don't believe [David] had any clue what we should sound like" "I pushed David towards a sound that could make Whitesnake big news out there [USA]" "In the end I went to Kalodner and said we should get Keith Olsen in" " It [87] turned out well and..went a long way to reflecting my vision.." King of easy to see why JS became a bit of a pain in the a*se So it sounds like Sykes should be added to the list of people who believe they were responsible for 1987's success alongside Kalodner, Marty Callner, and Tawny. DC, of course, played no part whatsoever....... nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:44:35 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513446,from=rss#post513446https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513446,from=rss#post513446SFTH sounds good on that demo form, Evolutions is great from what I’ve heard so far……interesting YGBMHA didn’t make the final listing. It’s strong enough in my view. Must listen this SOTN remix with the new middle!? Sykes, did say around the time of the release that this was radically different. I’d liked to have purchased that Rock Candy issue, quite happy to pay, but if I recall was fiddly to place the order so didn’t bother. Sykes hasn’t provided a lot of detail re 1987 over the years on the material, despite playing at least 4 tracks on his solo tours. Does anyone have a transcript to share? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Desperateheart)Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:46:21 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513444,from=rss#post513444https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513444,from=rss#post513444quote:snakehead wrote: quote:srdja ws wrote: I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4fap4A8D_0 And this, few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmNGVXMQ8FU The next one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnofVjitPOc Straight for the heart! What an underrated track! Like David says, shame they didn't play it live.   nondisclosed_email@example.com (srdja ws)Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:22:43 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513420,from=rss#post513420https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513420,from=rss#post513420quote:srdja ws wrote: I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4fap4A8D_0 And this, few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmNGVXMQ8FU The next one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnofVjitPOc nondisclosed_email@example.com (snakehead)Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:38:47 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513415,from=rss#post513415https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513415,from=rss#post513415I bought the Rock Candy magazine-that was the source of the quotes on Blabbermouth-Rock Candy Magazine and Sykes claims most of the glory for the album. Some quotes; "I had lots of riffs and ideas for songs" "All of these things..[Dio in '83, Ozzy in '80, Van Halen] gave me the vision for where i thought we should be going sonically" "I wanted Tommy Aldridge [to replace Cozy] but they [TA & DC] didn't get along" "I think i irritated Aynsley. I would literally sing him the way i believed he should do his drum parts" "I don't believe [David] had any clue what we should sound like" "I pushed David towards a sound that could make Whitesnake big news out there [USA]" "In the end I went to Kalodner and said we should get Keith Olsen in" " It [87] turned out well and..went a long way to reflecting my vision.." King of easy to see why JS became a bit of a pain in the a*se nondisclosed_email@example.com (Perfectly Strange)Fri, 10 Nov 2017 15:04:23 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513386,from=rss#post513386https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513386,from=rss#post513386I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4fap4A8D_0 And this, few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmNGVXMQ8FUnondisclosed_email@example.com (srdja ws)Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:32:18 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513372,from=rss#post513372https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513372,from=rss#post513372Agreed. U can really hear on the Evolutions disc how much Sykes brought to these songs. He's not really my cup of tea as a guitar player, but his playing on the album is admittedly superb. It would have been great if Sykes and Neil Murray were still on board when they toured the album. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Sun, 05 Nov 2017 16:15:20 +0000 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513365,from=rss#post513365https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513365,from=rss#post513365One of the special things about this for me is the chance to hear DC and JS making the music together, and singing together. They really did have musical chemistry.nondisclosed_email@example.com (themanwiththeaxe)Sat, 04 Nov 2017 21:03:52 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513357,from=rss#post513357https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513357,from=rss#post513357quote:jmorton wrote: I really enjoy the Evolutions part of the set. Such an interesting idea to show how ideas evolve. Of note was Still of the Night and Gimme All Your Love. Both underwent big changes. I could do without the live CD's and the DVD. However the remix CD is really good. As pointed out above the remix of Still of the Night (in particular the middle section) is very interesting. I really like the evolutions CD and the remixes. As you say, Still of the Night is interesting. A full album remix would have been good. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Wojak)Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:01:28 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513352,from=rss#post513352https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513352,from=rss#post513352I really enjoy the Evolutions part of the set. Such an interesting idea to show how ideas evolve. Of note was Still of the Night and Gimme All Your Love. Both underwent big changes. I could do without the live CD's and the DVD. However the remix CD is really good. As pointed out above the remix of Still of the Night (in particular the middle section) is very interesting.nondisclosed_email@example.com (jmorton)Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:37:46 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513349,from=rss#post513349https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513349,from=rss#post513349I know this makes me a bit of an anorak, but last night I watched both the DVD which accompanied the 20th anniversary special edition of the album and the DVD which came with the super deluxe edition and can confirm that the picture quality on the new DVD is not as good. I'm referring only to the picture quality of the 4 music videos filmed in 1987, not the other material on the DVD. I just can't understand how the new 'fully restored' versions can be blurrier and grainier. Bizarre. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:36:46 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513344,from=rss#post513344https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513344,from=rss#post513344I really like the box set, although I could live without the live CD from the Vandenberg/Campbell line-up. A lot of work has gone into pulling this together. The remixes of Still of the Night and Is this Love are strangely compelling. The interview doesn't say anything new. I guess DC is keeping a lot back for his autobiography.nondisclosed_email@example.com (themanwiththeaxe)Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:51:45 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513320,from=rss#post513320https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513320,from=rss#post513320quote:Old Timer5 wrote: I finally received my 'Super Deluxe' box set yesterday. It's nicely put together and good value for money IMO. I decided to put on the DVD last night primarily to watch the 30 minute documentary about the album and was really surprised that the videos for the 4 singles have been synced with the 2017 remixed version (not the 2017 'remasters') of the tracks- i.e. the ones appearing on the 1987 versions CD. I found it really noticeable that the music was different and found it a little off-putting at times. Don's get me wrong, the remixes are not radically different, but I don't get why they've done this. My other slight gripe about the dvd is that despite the videos apparently having been 'fully restored', the picture quality is pretty poor. I haven't done a comparison but my first instinct is that the picture quality is no better (possibly worse) than on the dvd accompanying the 25th anniversary re-issue version. Music wise, I've no complaints- DC has pretty much included absolutely everything he could have in this package and fair play to him for releasing the demo's (warts and all) on the Evolutions disc. Yes, I went through mine at the weekend. Not watched the DVD yet but I reckon this is a great package. The evolutions disk is excellent, it really shows how songs develop and get to the endpoint. Good work I say. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Wojak)Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:30:06 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513319,from=rss#post513319https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513319,from=rss#post513319I finally received my 'Super Deluxe' box set yesterday. It's nicely put together and good value for money IMO. I decided to put on the DVD last night primarily to watch the 30 minute documentary about the album and was really surprised that the videos for the 4 singles have been synced with the 2017 remixed version (not the 2017 'remasters') of the tracks- i.e. the ones appearing on the 1987 versions CD. I found it really noticeable that the music was different and found it a little off-putting at times. Don's get me wrong, the remixes are not radically different, but I don't get why they've done this. My other slight gripe about the dvd is that despite the videos apparently having been 'fully restored', the picture quality is pretty poor. I haven't done a comparison but my first instinct is that the picture quality is no better (possibly worse) than on the dvd accompanying the 25th anniversary re-issue version. Music wise, I've no complaints- DC has pretty much included absolutely everything he could have in this package and fair play to him for releasing the demo's (warts and all) on the Evolutions disc. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:19:17 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513091,from=rss#post513091https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513091,from=rss#post513091quote:Old Timer5 wrote: I was amazed that the decent review in Classic Rock was written by none other than Dave Everley, the same guy who gave the Purple Album that infamously BAD review! I wonder of this was a tactical decision by CR, to try and get DC back in their good books! That's amazing. lol Actually I'd have been more surprised if it was Dave Ling ... who's seemed to have made covering DC the last decade a personal vendetta.nondisclosed_email@example.com (jmorton)Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:01:12 +0000 Re: Big re-release of 1987...https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513090,from=rss#post513090https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p513090,from=rss#post513090I was amazed that the decent review in Classic Rock was written by none other than Dave Everley, the same guy who gave the Purple Album that infamously BAD review! I wonder of this was a tactical decision by CR, to try and get DC back in their good books! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Old Timer5)Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:49:35 +0000