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I think you're not fully understanding my point - I am not saying they have not been successful, but only in parts of Europe and Japan did they achieve superstar level and stayed at that level for a long time. Let's look at their results in the US: one success with Hush (single), then nothing until Smoke on the Water (Machine Head topped at no. 7 and Burn at no. 9), then soon forgotten and after the reunion very little (Perfect Strangers no. 17 and HOBL [sign in to see URL]). Compare with the UK: 3 no.1 albums, another 6 in the top ten. Ovsiously, they are not as successul in the US as they are in the UK (and other European countries have results similar to the UK).
It's pretty clear they never cracked the US market, which is almost half the world's market by itself.
Compare with LZ in the US: 9 studio albums, all AT LEAST on pos. 7 (DP achieved that ONCE), with 6 number ones. C'mon, the numbers speak for themselves - the worst result for LZ is equal to the best for DP. LZ are superstars, DP are a huge band - no disrepect to any of them, and personally I much prefer DP's music, but in terms of popularity there is no contest, really.
And the fact they had a lot of success touring is also based on their willingness to travel and play places where other known groups do not care to show [sign in to see URL] Paul McCartney doing a 200-, hell, 300-gig tour; do you honestly believe that there would be a single show that would not sell out in half an hour? The fact he does not WANT to do extensive tours does not mean he would be less successful.

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Never said they had same level of success in the US as LZ, no one had. Not including the Beatles here.
North America seems to have been their weakest market for many years.
And by the way, MIJ peaked at no.6.
The fact that Purple wants to tour everywhere is a good thing really.

Other than this I agree with you.
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I agree that touring everywhere is a really good thing, allowing many more people to experience them live; my only complaint about that is that they have toured too much, as in too many dates - there has been a degree of burnout by Ritchie, Jon left for the same reason and Steve has often stated openly he would have liked less tours. And the "event" dimension has been lost completely: if they are in town for every new album it's nice, but if they pop up five or six times between an album and the next, it starts to become banal. So yes, widespread tours - but perhaps not as often.
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Agree, the touring have been just too much and often. People start to loose interest in the end.
I did for sure, haven't seen them for seven years now.
But this time (last time?) I will go.
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Also, ABBA's and LZ's fan base is distributed in all major markets, which is not really the case with DP, because DP is "only" big in Japan and parts of Europe, whereas in the US they have a smaller footprint and in other markets it's the same. If you think that until 30 years ago or so, the US accounted for about 40% of album sales worldwide, you can easily see how their status in Sweden, flattering as it may be, is not going to take them to the same level;-)




You say Purple is only big "in Japan and parts of Europe"..
I don't know any other band that have toured literally the whole world on such a high level as Purple.
They have been all over Russia, Asia, South America, Oceania and even Africa including the middle east.
And of course still tour Europe and North America succesfully.
People all over the world seems to know the songs, it will slowly change of course.
1 in 3 youths don't know who Elvis is any longer.



For what it's worth probably less than 1 in 1 youths have the faintest idea who Ritchie Blackmore and Rainbow are. In the UK Rainbow is a kids cult TV show and or something to do with a Gay lifestyle.
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BSB is right. Purple/Rainbow have almost zero mainstream profile here in the UK. Sure, you'll hear them on the specialist rock radio stations (but even there, Planet Rock (for example) plays Led Zep three times a night, Purple once a week). But those are niche stations with small audiences. Classic rock simply doesn't get play on the big daytime stations (millions of listeners instead of a few thousand) at all.

Comparing Purple with ABBA in recognition and sales, in the UK, is a joke. Everybody from kids to grannies knows ABBA, every wedding DJ will play them, I once saw an ABBA *tribute* band with a bigger audience than some DP shows I've been to. Then there was the stage show which ran for like a billion performances and spawned a movie packed with Hollywood megastars. You add it all up, and the ABBA songwriters must be millionaires many times over. They could probably give every penny they currently have to charity and be millionaires again by this time next year because THAT'S HOW MANY TIMES ABBA SONGS ARE PLAYED.

Honestly, not making any judgement of musical worth at all, just on sales, current recognition levels, and overall market penetration, Purple and ABBA can't even be put on the same graph.

Having said that, Jon Lord once said (not too long ago) that he still got a five-figure annual income from Smoke on the Water. So it's hard to imagine Purple members being flat broke emoticon

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It's interesting just how big ABBA are in the UK and also Australia.
Bigger than in Sweden even. emoticon

Of course the likes of ABBA, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd have a bigger following than Purple.
But like you say David, they (dp) are not poor..
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I'm sure it was Jon Lord who answered the question "what does SOTW mean to you?" with "about £100k per year" but i got the sense that a significant part of that sum was from radio airplay royalties not new album sales.
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Also, ABBA's and LZ's fan base is distributed in all major markets, which is not really the case with DP, because DP is "only" big in Japan and parts of Europe, whereas in the US they have a smaller footprint and in other markets it's the same. If you think that until 30 years ago or so, the US accounted for about 40% of album sales worldwide, you can easily see how their status in Sweden, flattering as it may be, is not going to take them to the same level;-)




You say Purple is only big "in Japan and parts of Europe"..
I don't know any other band that have toured literally the whole world on such a high level as Purple.
They have been all over Russia, Asia, South America, Oceania and even Africa including the middle east.
And of course still tour Europe and North America succesfully.
People all over the world seems to know the songs, it will slowly change of course.
1 in 3 youths don't know who Elvis is any longer.



For what it's worth probably less than 1 in 1 youths have the faintest idea who Ritchie Blackmore and Rainbow are. In the UK Rainbow is a kids cult TV show and or something to do with a Gay lifestyle.



Not true, I have seen early teens recently walking about with "RB`s Rainbow " patches on their jackets, very surreal because that was me ( and others on here) quite a few moons ago! The point is quality always attracts interest, even decades later, and a few seconds on a smartphone searching say NWOBHM would yield a treasure trove of music and bands for anyone with even a passing interest. IMO less youngsters would know about the TV show than RB`s band.

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BSB is right. Purple/Rainbow have almost zero mainstream profile here in the UK. Sure, you'll hear them on the specialist rock radio stations (but even there, Planet Rock (for example) plays Led Zep three times a night, Purple once a week). But those are niche stations with small audiences. Classic rock simply doesn't get play on the big daytime stations (millions of listeners instead of a few thousand) at all.

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Thank God radio is not THAT relevant anymore.

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