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Ok guys I tell you what ..........

I'll be like you all are...........
I believe every word Blackmore wrote in that piece and I agree hes sooooo fantastic in every way.......
Is everyone happy now?!

Back in the real world. I said nothing whatsoever about Blackmore needing money or about whether he did or didn't make money on this or on anything else at all.

In common with all artists his presentation is designed to encourage and foster certain beliefs about the product and to create certain images for the listener or [sign in to see URL] is the entertainment business after all..... so it's supposed to be fantasy that they create.

So like it or not this lot is just another example of the quality marketing bullsh1t that's employed to encourage the fans. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, just saying that what it actually is. It boils down to the same thing which I said originally

"Please Buy into our fantasy world",

So whats wrong with that?

Gatts, no disrespect intended but I've not mentioned financial gain here at all.



Blackmore`s guitar playing stands for itself, people don`t need to be convinced to buy the product IMO, he believes the stuff that he is saying, and so do I actually, you don`t need to live in a cave to have spiritual leanings.

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I'm pretty sure some do, at least at the very beginning of their career (and most bands don't publish more than 1-3 CDs anyway). We laugh, they don't.

It's funny how the streaming/mp3 revolution was initially backed by many because we wanted to see the majors slimming down and ripping consumers less off, but whereas that has certainly happened, the biggest negative impact has been felt by the musicians themselves. Now everyone can record an album on electronic format, but hadrly anyone can live from it - and you will notice how many relevant names now juggle multiple projects just to make a living.

There's a nice book, titled something like How the record industry self-destructed, that came out some 5 years ago and explains it in detail.

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Maybe the artist even have to pay some for getting the album out...? ha ha ha







Sure, today is a different ballgame. But I'm convinced Ritchie and other members of DP have singles and album sales to thank for their wealth. Even if some come from touring and other sales too.
If anyone belive these guys are not very well off, wake up.
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Hard to read! He writes they have "created a new genre"! In Rock was new, Rising was new.

And "Play minstrel play" was even not created by them. It was composed by
"Des Geyers schwarzer Haufen". RB bought the rights.

"Each song took us down another pathway through the wilderness" and they used drumcomputers and midi-pick ups on stage.

However - I liked the first two albums a bit. But I cannot listen to his newer releases.
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Hard to read! He writes they have "created a new genre"! In Rock was new, Rising was new.

And "Play minstrel play" was even not created by them. It was composed by
"Des Geyers schwarzer Haufen". RB bought the rights.

"Each song took us down another pathway through the wilderness" and they used drumcomputers and midi-pick ups on stage.

However - I liked the first two albums a bit. But I cannot listen to his newer releases.


I agree with you, this statement has been written to achieve a specific effect, it's nearly as plastic and fake as Candice and we all know she can't get near any heat source or she will just melt!

Its a nice piece of marketing bullsh1t, from end to end. Otherwise you have to appreciate the quality of the script writer and ignore the contents.

Notably "early Eighties Fan" actually says he believes it, so as far as Blackmore's marketing people are concerned, that's objet achieved, mission accomplished, they hit their target in the bulls eye and so long as they find enough others who also believe it...... they are home and dry.

Is the story that Blackmore sh1ts gold nuggets true as well .......... of course it is for some of the fan-boys!!
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And "Play minstrel play" was even not created by them. It was composed by
"Des Geyers schwarzer Haufen". RB bought the rights.



No, it's a traditional French song, first published by Pierre Attaingnant in the 16th century.

So if Blackmore paid anyone for the rights, he was cheated emoticon

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In principle you could be right, and to some extent you are, but consider the following situation in 1984:

- IG had disbanded his own band because he could not pay the musicians, and had gone to BS to get some money, as failed investments from 1975 onwards destroyed the money he had made
- Blackmore turned to AOR when Dio-Rainbow could not pay its costs - Ritchie was putting his own money earned years prior to keep the band afloat
- what money could JL and IP have made, being musicians in relatively succesful bands (Still Got the Blues and 1987 were both recorded after they left), but most probably on retainer salaries? Also note that when they reformed DP, they initially used Ritchie's Hammond, as I believe JL's organ was not working and apparently he had (economic) issues having it repaired, and probably did not consider using it again.

You know what made them fairly rich? The back catalogue, which has continued to deliver royalties over the last thirty years because the band has stayed in the public eye since the reunion and has sold regularly copies of the many old records, for which advances had alerady been covered by copies sold back in the day.
So yes, album sales, but recent sales of old albums, for the most part.

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mtb7 wrote:

I'm pretty sure some do, at least at the very beginning of their career (and most bands don't publish more than 1-3 CDs anyway). We laugh, they don't.

It's funny how the streaming/mp3 revolution was initially backed by many because we wanted to see the majors slimming down and ripping consumers less off, but whereas that has certainly happened, the biggest negative impact has been felt by the musicians themselves. Now everyone can record an album on electronic format, but hadrly anyone can live from it - and you will notice how many relevant names now juggle multiple projects just to make a living.

There's a nice book, titled something like How the record industry self-destructed, that came out some 5 years ago and explains it in detail.

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Maybe the artist even have to pay some for getting the album out...? ha ha ha







Sure, today is a different ballgame. But I'm convinced Ritchie and other members of DP have singles and album sales to thank for their wealth. Even if some come from touring and other sales too.
If anyone belive these guys are not very well off, wake up.





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In principle you could be right, and to some extent you are, but consider the following situation in 1984:

- IG had disbanded by own band because he could not pay the musicians, and had gone to BS to get some money, as failed investments from 1975 onwards destroyed the money he had made
- Blackmore turned to AOR when Dio-Rainbow could not pay its costs - Ritchie was putting his own money earned years prior to keep the band afloat
- what money could JL and IP have made, being musicians in relatively succesful bands (Still Got the Blues and 1987 were both recorded after they left), but most probably on retainer salaries? Also note that when they reformed DP, they initially used Ritchie's Hammond, as I believe JL's organ was not working and apparently he had (economic) issues having it repaired, and probably did not consider using it again.

You know what made them fairly rich? The back catalogue, which has continued to deliver royalties over the last thirty years because the band has stayed in the public eye since the reunion and has sold regularly copies of the many old records, for which advances had alerady been covered by copies sold back in the day.
So yes, album sales, but recent sales of old albums, for the most part.

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mtb7 wrote:

I'm pretty sure some do, at least at the very beginning of their career (and most bands don't publish more than 1-3 CDs anyway). We laugh, they don't.

It's funny how the streaming/mp3 revolution was initially backed by many because we wanted to see the majors slimming down and ripping consumers less off, but whereas that has certainly happened, the biggest negative impact has been felt by the musicians themselves. Now everyone can record an album on electronic format, but hadrly anyone can live from it - and you will notice how many relevant names now juggle multiple projects just to make a living.

There's a nice book, titled something like How the record industry self-destructed, that came out some 5 years ago and explains it in detail.

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Maybe the artist even have to pay some for getting the album out...? ha ha ha







Sure, today is a different ballgame. But I'm convinced Ritchie and other members of DP have singles and album sales to thank for their wealth. Even if some come from touring and other sales too.
If anyone belive these guys are not very well off, wake up.







Yeah sure, but a lot of it is just rumors. I see the guys in ABBA these days, they haven't done anything for ages and still are rolling in money.
Maybe ABBA have sold a few more albums over the years but still.
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It has been claimed that Graham Bonnet received $12,000in total from his Rainbow experience, Album, Touring etc etc. Frankly that doesn't surprise me at all.

Roger Glover said at one point the Rainbow operation was costs $50,000 a week to keep it running, no doubt because all the roadies, had roadies who had roadies etc etc.

It's amazing how many of these elder rock stars who should be worth Millions simply are not. I'm not 100% on this but I read that Uli Jon Roth was about to file for bankruptcy last year following an issue with taxes and a failed studio venture. So it's not allfast cars and loose women.

BN was going out for £6-15K a night a while back, but the costs will be fairly horrendous with so many players, crew and everything else. Typically they only do 6 dates on an outing, so do the maths.

I'm sure Blackmore is very comfortable with no need to worry about money, but I'm less sure he's super rich at this stage. Hence the Rainbow revival plan.
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Not just "a few more" - almost 4 times more. And the money went into 2 families, not five. That alone gives you an idea. Plus, Abba is still to this day more popular, with a musical being performed all over the world, countless commercials, airplay, etc. It's really a different situation. ABBA should be compared to LZ, not to DP.

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In principle you could be right, and to some extent you are, but consider the following situation in 1984:

- IG had disbanded by own band because he could not pay the musicians, and had gone to BS to get some money, as failed investments from 1975 onwards destroyed the money he had made
- Blackmore turned to AOR when Dio-Rainbow could not pay its costs - Ritchie was putting his own money earned years prior to keep the band afloat
- what money could JL and IP have made, being musicians in relatively succesful bands (Still Got the Blues and 1987 were both recorded after they left), but most probably on retainer salaries? Also note that when they reformed DP, they initially used Ritchie's Hammond, as I believe JL's organ was not working and apparently he had (economic) issues having it repaired, and probably did not consider using it again.

You know what made them fairly rich? The back catalogue, which has continued to deliver royalties over the last thirty years because the band has stayed in the public eye since the reunion and has sold regularly copies of the many old records, for which advances had alerady been covered by copies sold back in the day.
So yes, album sales, but recent sales of old albums, for the most part.

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Concrete god wrote:

quote:

mtb7 wrote:

I'm pretty sure some do, at least at the very beginning of their career (and most bands don't publish more than 1-3 CDs anyway). We laugh, they don't.

It's funny how the streaming/mp3 revolution was initially backed by many because we wanted to see the majors slimming down and ripping consumers less off, but whereas that has certainly happened, the biggest negative impact has been felt by the musicians themselves. Now everyone can record an album on electronic format, but hadrly anyone can live from it - and you will notice how many relevant names now juggle multiple projects just to make a living.

There's a nice book, titled something like How the record industry self-destructed, that came out some 5 years ago and explains it in detail.

quote:

Concrete god wrote:


Maybe the artist even have to pay some for getting the album out...? ha ha ha







Sure, today is a different ballgame. But I'm convinced Ritchie and other members of DP have singles and album sales to thank for their wealth. Even if some come from touring and other sales too.
If anyone belive these guys are not very well off, wake up.







Yeah sure, but a lot of it is just rumors. I see the guys in ABBA these days, they haven't done anything for ages and still are rolling in money.
Maybe ABBA have sold a few more albums over the years but still.



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It has been claimed that Graham Bonnet received $12,000in total from his Rainbow experience, Album, Touring etc etc. Frankly that doesn't surprise me at all.

Roger Glover said at one point the Rainbow operation was costs $50,000 a week to keep it running, no doubt because all the roadies, had roadies who had roadies etc etc.

It's amazing how many of these elder rock stars who should be worth Millions simply are not. I'm not 100% on this but I read that Uli Jon Roth was about to file for bankruptcy last year following an issue with taxes and a failed studio venture. So it's not allfast cars and loose women.

BN was going out for £6-15K a night a while back, but the costs will be fairly horrendous with so many players, crew and everything else. Typically they only do 6 dates on an outing, so do the maths.

I'm sure Blackmore is very comfortable with no need to worry about money, but I'm less sure he's super rich at this stage. Hence the Rainbow revival plan.



[sign in to see URL] of them do not make the kind of money you would think they do. And almost all "big" artists make more money on merchandise than album sales. Someone mentioned McCartney earlier and he is in the "Superstar" cathegory (-together with Elvis and very few other artists so he is not really representative for artists in general.) McCartney could probably sell out any venue anywhere in the world, and would charge accordingly.


Blackmore lives a comfortable life, but I think he (like everyone else) also has noticed that album sales have slowed down. He has also been semi-retired for years. He isn't the kind of celebrity who appears everywhere and the media always writes about. Normally it wouldn't mean so much for someone at his age, but he has two small children and a wife who will need money for several years to come so it's natural that he wants to milk it as much as he can.


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