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No - I had no problem with Jon when he played with them as guest and Satch is always welcomed. emoticon

BTW current Ritchie is much less hardrock guitar player than current Steve. Steve is universal guitar player, Ritchie completely lost it - so...



Okay, if you say so, Steve Morse is one of the greatest guitarist that ever lived, thats my opinion and I like some of his works in the Dixie Dregs.

You forgot one [sign in to see URL] has a "Rock Star" persona, just like Jimi Hendrix, the way he moves the way he plays the guitar. Jim Morrison, the way he sings on stage and many more rock stars. Unfortunately, even though Steve is a nice guy, but he will never had a "Rock Star" charisma like Ritchie Blackmore.

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No - I had no problem with Jon when he played with them as guest and Satch is always welcomed. emoticon

BTW current Ritchie is much less hardrock guitar player than current Steve. Steve is universal guitar player, Ritchie completely lost it - so...



Okay, if you say so, Steve Morse is one of the greatest guitarist that ever lived, thats my opinion and I like some of his works in the Dixie Dregs.

You forgot one [sign in to see URL] has a "Rock Star" persona, just like Jimi Hendrix, the way he moves the way he plays the guitar. Jim Morrison, the way he sings on stage and many more rock stars. Unfortunately, even though Steve is a nice guy, but he will never had a "Rock Star" charisma like Ritchie Blackmore.



I would agree if you used past tense. Ritchie HAD a "rock star" charmisma...
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C'[sign in to see URL]'re being handsomely paid to sing ten tunes and you don't care to remember them because "there was no story"?? It's similar to one of those excuses kids make up when not making their homework at school: or, to put it with Lucy Van Pelt's words "I had the rings of Saturn in my mind" - and again, we're talking six-year olds.

And the fact they had "no control" means they could not INFLUENCE it, not that they had no knowledge about what it was. It's not like Don Arden played tricks on them and dared them to go on stage without knowing what was going to happen. I bet Tony knew PERFECTLY about it all, it's just that Ian was probably stoned by ten AM and could not have cared less.

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I thought we are talking about presence... emoticon

Sabbath story is mixture of causes, I remember that in biography he states that he couldnt get any "story" from Geezer´s lyrics - there was no "storyline", what about the song actually is, completely different way of creating a lyrics and therefore he had nothing how to memorize it.

About the stage effects - he also wrote that those stage effects were completely under Don Arden´s control, completely beyond band´s control, so actually - I think that noone from band at that time actually knew about how it will look like. It´s not like Rolling Stones case where Charlie, Ron and Mick are co-creators of their stages.



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No - I had no problem with Jon when he played with them as guest and Satch is always welcomed. emoticon

BTW current Ritchie is much less hardrock guitar player than current Steve. Steve is universal guitar player, Ritchie completely lost it - so...



Okay, if you say so, Steve Morse is one of the greatest guitarist that ever lived, thats my opinion and I like some of his works in the Dixie Dregs.

You forgot one [sign in to see URL] has a "Rock Star" persona, just like Jimi Hendrix, the way he moves the way he plays the guitar. Jim Morrison, the way he sings on stage and many more rock stars. Unfortunately, even though Steve is a nice guy, but he will never had a "Rock Star" charisma like Ritchie Blackmore.



I would agree if you used past tense. Ritchie HAD a "rock star" charmisma...



Exactly the same as IG. He HAD a "rock star" voice and now he doesn't. The "dad dancing" on stage doesn't help either.
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C'[sign in to see URL]'re being handsomely paid to sing ten tunes and you don't care to remember them because "there was no story"?? It's similar to one of those excuses kids make up when not making their homework at school: or, to put it with Lucy Van Pelt's words "I had the rings of Saturn in my mind" - and again, we're talking six-year olds.

And the fact they had "no control" means they could not INFLUENCE it, not that they had no knowledge about what it was. It's not like Don Arden played tricks on them and dared them to go on stage without knowing what was going to happen. I bet Tony knew PERFECTLY about it all, it's just that Ian was probably stoned by ten AM and could not have cared less.

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I thought we are talking about presence... emoticon

Sabbath story is mixture of causes, I remember that in biography he states that he couldnt get any "story" from Geezer´s lyrics - there was no "storyline", what about the song actually is, completely different way of creating a lyrics and therefore he had nothing how to memorize it.

About the stage effects - he also wrote that those stage effects were completely under Don Arden´s control, completely beyond band´s control, so actually - I think that noone from band at that time actually knew about how it will look like. It´s not like Rolling Stones case where Charlie, Ron and Mick are co-creators of their stages.






It´s not meant as excuse but as explanation why he had a difficulties with learning Geezer´s lyrics - IG writes lyrics different than Geezer (IG´s have some storyline and based on that storyline IG tries to remember that lyrics or "make it up" on stage), without this storyline - he couldnt use his standard way of this work, he wrote there were no "key" points in verse to how to make up "the rest" around it. That´s how I understood that. That´s not about he didnt give a damn - that´s about that his normal way of work didnt work.

If I remember correctly Tony or Geezer (someone from them) said that ice (which caused issues to IG) was the last moment addition - it wasnt used even on final rehearsals for tour.

My question is - what would YOU do on IG´s position? You know that remembering lyrics is not your strong point, you know that you had difficulties how to remember those Geezer´s lyrics, so you actually expect you are going to have issues with them, so he prepared his lyrics book - what would you do? And again, let me remind you, that remembering anything at home in safe enviroment means almost nothing compared to stage. What would YOU do on his place...
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Work harder?

Seriuosly, for starters you just put in twice the effort.
Then, you try to be sober every once in a while.

And a tip is to try and find a meaning (for yourself, not Geezer) to the lyrics, in a similar way you would do with numbers. A century ago I had this landline number: 324804. When I told people my number (and at the time there were no mobiles to memorize it), I told them: it's twice 16, then three times 16 and finally the square root of 16. It was easy to remember. If you can find "beacons" in a text, they will guide you through it.
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It was not like he needed to learn the collected works of Arthur [sign in to see URL] some songs were taken from Born Again and the lyrics were his, plus they played SOTW, what is left to memorize are 6, maybe 8 songs, which happen to be amongst the all-time classics most played on radio. Difficult, huh?
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Back to topic: I would appreciate a one-off (or a ten-off) appearence of Ritchie with the band. Only the fans shoudn't have too high expectations. And about forgetting lyrics: When we played scetches of Monty Python's Flying circus with our theatregroup, I had to sing the lumberjack song at the end of the parrot scetch. I sang it hundred of times without forgetting the lyrics. Then one evening - it was during the second verse - I suddenly didn't know how to go on and sang "lalala" ...
But still I wouldn't use any help on stage because if you do, you tend to rely on them rather then on yourself. But if someone does, it's ok for me.
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No - I had no problem with Jon when he played with them as guest and Satch is always welcomed. emoticon

BTW current Ritchie is much less hardrock guitar player than current Steve. Steve is universal guitar player, Ritchie completely lost it - so...




What utter Bollocks mate emoticon
for sure Blackers is nowhere close to his former glories but there are still moments where one is reminded of the mans genius
your Gillan fan boy bias knows no limits!!!
the fact is that Ritchie Blackmore will always be remembered as THE DP guitarist Steve will NOT!!!
Steves best work has been outside of DP
hes simply a stand in to allow the DP cabaret act to continue
for the record I'm not interested in Ritchie joining DP again its way too late for that ,its pointless, though from a sentimental point of view it would be a fitting farewell to legendary band.
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Can we get away from the RB v IG that seems to dog every topic.
It would seem fitting to end with RB and a one off show even though his recent rock forays have been erratic. My one concern would be the amount of rehearsal time needed to be up to speed with current slick DP and whether Ritchie could commit to it. I'm sure Gillans range would irk him but he too is only too fallible now.
Rehearse, enjoy it and we could get a fitting swansong.
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