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Look, Ritchie may be different from his own past, and you are entitled to your opinion, but the magic that surfaced here and there in the six shows that Rainbow did over the last two years is something that unfortunately Steve has not been able to produce in a gazillion concerts. He may be universal and he sure is a class act, but he is not moving me or many others - he plays a bit like an exercise [sign in to see URL] again, to each their own.

And one question: how come you are so efficient in repeating every time (even when it's out of context) that Rainbow "was not taken seriously", yet you fail to mention that IG has, for the last few decades, had serious issues with remembering his own lyrics - is that "taking it seriously", in your book?



I have also never received a reply to that question. If IG cant even be bothered to learn the lyrics how can that be taken seriously?
After all the rest of the band don't have the sheet music taped to the stage do they?
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It’s not such a big deal, all singers do that these days. Why not? They probably know 95% of them but there’s gonna be occasions when their minds go blank, especially when getting on a bit.....
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IG never remembered the lyrics - and oh my, every Purple fan knows that. It´s not a new thing and I have no problem with lyrics sheets that he uses on stage for couple of new songs, because.... how surprising... it´s relatively normal thing in current concert business that singers use various LCD panels etc for lyrics of whole set and even for banter between the songs. IG has lyrics sheets for couple of new tracks and in my opinion - it´s not shocking to have issues with remembering some types of lyrics (Time For Bedlam isnnt easy one to remember) or remembering lyrics which are not his own (Johnny´s Band). Sometimes he uses that sheets only as "secure" stuff - just in case and actually doesnt use it. I have actually no problem with that. IG does nothing which would be "abnormal" in current music scene - he actually does it in a little bit dated and limited way compared to others. Paul McCartney sings Hey Jude with lyrics going on his tablet placed on piano - who cares? I dont. It´s just a little thing how to make hard work a bit easier and more comfortable for artist. We are not at school to memorize rhymes.
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BTW have you ever noticed that GH does the same thing? He has lyrics sheets on his stage monitors (although he uses in-ears).... No issue at all.

In IG´s case it´s obviously different by each song - he has no issue to remember some lyrics despite the fact he hasnt sing that song in years (ala Bloodsucker which was done in 2009 for the last time before present period), in some other cases he doesnt need lyrics sheet for long period of time (AFAIK he didnt need Apres Vous), in some other cases songs are (for some reason) difficult to remember... BTW you can learn lyrics at home how long time you want, but "on stage" scenario it´s completely different setting of mind. Having a "blank" moment or having issues with remembering lyrics is NOT lack of proffesionalism, it´s natural toll of live performance.
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Let's agree to disagree. If others do it as well, it does not mean it's professional.
And I do not want to belittle IG with this, I know it's been a weakness of him for ages, even when it was NOT common at all - and it's not like DP's songs have long or complex lyrics; a lot of the old stuff in particular is quite silly. Try with Dylan's lyrics and 12-minute songs with no instrumental passage, and see how it goes.
I just wanted to highlight yor double standards and, judging by your answer, I have succeeded magnificently;-)
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I disagree it´s double standard in any way... I just dont see "remebering" or "not remembering" lyrics connected to proffesionalism in way how IG does it now. Different thing is how IG deals with it and how he used to deal with it in past. One of the worst stuff is his complete "loss of memory" in Knocking At Your Back Door performance in Prague 93 - he simply stopped singing after he started to sing 1st verse for 2nd time, instead of that he should have finish it! Now - he uses lyrics sheets for problematic songs and it´s one of ways how to deal with it.

I mean that humans memory work different in 10 years old age (that was my point with memorizing rhymes), in 30 years (I would have serious issues to learn the rhymes now... but surprisingly I still remember some verses from childhood!) and in 70 years. Also - as I pointed out, you can remember lyrics in calm comfort enviroment at home - without any stress, pressure etc. and you can forget them immediately as soon as you go on stage in front of 10k people (you never forgot rhyme when you should tell that in front of your teacher and schoolmates despite you remembered it perfectly at home?)...
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BTW have you ever noticed that GH does the same thing? He has lyrics sheets on his stage monitors (although he uses in-ears).... No issue at all.

In IG´s case it´s obviously different by each song - he has no issue to remember some lyrics despite the fact he hasnt sing that song in years (ala Bloodsucker which was done in 2009 for the last time before present period), in some other cases he doesnt need lyrics sheet for long period of time (AFAIK he didnt need Apres Vous), in some other cases songs are (for some reason) difficult to remember... BTW you can learn lyrics at home how long time you want, but "on stage" scenario it´s completely different setting of mind. Having a "blank" moment or having issues with remembering lyrics is NOT lack of proffesionalism, it´s natural toll of live performance.



If it is purely the toll of live performance, by that definition then the musicians should sit down reading music sheets? How can SM for example remember how to play every song, especially as most he had no part in creating, without needing music sheets?
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I know the effect of pressure, I said it myself in another thread.

But here we are talking about a rather hard case of memory coming and going, probably due to intoxication. You will surely remember the episode with Sabbath he recalled in his autobiography [sign in to see URL], if you don't know the opening lines of the opening tune of your new band, and you are silent because the ice smoke is not allowing you to look at the lyrics at your feet, you are making multiple mistakes at once, because not only do you not remember, but you don't even care to consider whether the stage effects will cause issues or not with your [sign in to see URL].
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I thought we are talking about presence... emoticon

Sabbath story is mixture of causes, I remember that in biography he states that he couldnt get any "story" from Geezer´s lyrics - there was no "storyline", what about the song actually is, completely different way of creating a lyrics and therefore he had nothing how to memorize it.

About the stage effects - he also wrote that those stage effects were completely under Don Arden´s control, completely beyond band´s control, so actually - I think that noone from band at that time actually knew about how it will look like. It´s not like Rolling Stones case where Charlie, Ron and Mick are co-creators of their stages.
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BTW have you ever noticed that GH does the same thing? He has lyrics sheets on his stage monitors (although he uses in-ears).... No issue at all.

In IG´s case it´s obviously different by each song - he has no issue to remember some lyrics despite the fact he hasnt sing that song in years (ala Bloodsucker which was done in 2009 for the last time before present period), in some other cases he doesnt need lyrics sheet for long period of time (AFAIK he didnt need Apres Vous), in some other cases songs are (for some reason) difficult to remember... BTW you can learn lyrics at home how long time you want, but "on stage" scenario it´s completely different setting of mind. Having a "blank" moment or having issues with remembering lyrics is NOT lack of proffesionalism, it´s natural toll of live performance.



If it is purely the toll of live performance, by that definition then the musicians should sit down reading music sheets? How can SM for example remember how to play every song, especially as most he had no part in creating, without needing music sheets?



No that´s not, because singers sometimes replace lyrics with something like "nah-nah-nah" vocal line. Singers KNOW vocal melody, they dont know words. It´s naturally easier to remember how MUSIC goes on than how words goes on. emoticon

IG did that type of replacing in case Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye in Montreux 06 and it´s just few words missed:
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By the way - NEC 2002 - Smoke On The Water, IG forgot few words there due to brief lack of concentration when he had some dealing with security guy below the stage.... Natural thing - for a brief while he just forgot "where" in the song they are...

Forgot to mention Perfect Strangers from Freiburg 2010... "brand new" set of lyrics emoticon emoticon

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