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Why they should give up that name when they are DEEP PURPLE?


They are what you think DP is.




Exactly they are NOT EVEN CLOSE to what i and many many others think of as DEEP PURPLE!!!

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Oh.... Mark 2a purism strikes again? emoticon
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My attitude is completely different - I dont compare current Purple with 70s Purple. I dont expect them to perform like they used to or anything like this. I expect them to do standalone good show (the same goes for albums - I didnt expect 2nd Machine Head or In Rock or anything like that... and that´s part of reason why I fully appreciate Purpendicular, NW?! and Infinite as one of the best albums in DP´s overall catalog despite the fact they are completely different to those two from 70s) - without any competition with what they used to be. I dont expect them to be "dangerous" or whatever you obviously expect. As I said it´s like expecting that Gretzky was bad hockey player at the end of his career, because he didnt score 200 points in final season as he did in his best years. Maybe it´s about realistic expectations? Or maybe it´s about accepting the fact that with age band´s "strong" and "weak" sides changes?




The Gretzky example was a very poor one, as sport is brutal in its clarity. The greatest ever sportsman in any sport always reaches a point where they are dropped. DP just meander along, a pale shadow of what they were. If indeed we should not compare them with their glory day's the answer is simple, don't call themselves DP. Call them what they are, the Ian Gillan Band.
They won't do that as there is no money in that.



I think that Gretzky´s example is perfect what I wanted to say. I meant that Gretzky´s value or role for team and ice hockey itself changed - he maybe didnt score 200 points per season anymore, but he stil was extremely valuable for team (giving an example for younger team mates) and sport itself (he actually still is the biggest icon of ice hockey). Look at what happened yesterday. I think that nearly everyone hoped that Bolt - the biggest athlete icon of our times - will end his final race at first place... and he sadly didnt win. He ended on 3rd place, still it was pleasure to see him despite the fact that his time at the race was far behind his best races. Still - he is the biggest athlete of these two decades and everyone would love to see him to continue, despite the fact he isnt unmatchable as he ended up 3rd in this race. He even lost 2 races - in his semifinal, he ended up 2nd. But still it was pleasure to see such a huge icon to do that. And for me, that´s exactly the same for DP. It´s not actually about nostalgic feeling - that´s about wish to see masters of their art to do what they obviously still ENJOY to do and when the result is so good as in Purple´s case like last two records - damn what more to ask? As I said - Purple´s today "strong" and "weak" points completely changed from 70s (they ARE different band, as Mk2b and Mk2c WERE different band to Mk2a despite the people were the same, character of the band naturally changed) - that´s about whether you are able to see them and accept them, I can.



No professional sportsman/woman can carry on because it is fun. They are told when to stop, always when they are not worth their place.
If Deep Purple don't want to be compared with Deep Purple, don't keep dragging the name around.



In case of sprotsman it´s about whether he/she can make an agreement about fitting contract with team (in case of team games). In case of band - it´s the same - whether band can have a contract with publisher and live concert promoter...

Why they should give up that name when they are DEEP PURPLE? Are you going to ask wife / husband for changing her name because she /he changed after decades since you got married? Are you going to change name of your 13 years old dog because he´s not cute puppy anymore?



Genuinely don’t understand your point about my wife or dog (I don’t have a dog so the point is even less relevant).
You said that DP are the at the same point at Gretzky, not as good but still doing good work for the youngsters. I have no idea what this means as no sports franchise keeps a former great on the books if he is not doing what he once could. Sport is far more brutal than music, completely black and white. No matter how good someone once was, they will be ditched as soon as they stop hitting the numbers. This is not an unusual occurrence, this happens every day in every sport.
A sportsman cannot go onto a pitch/court and pretend he can still play. This is the difference, Gillan still goes on stage and pretends he can sing. It is not only MK II songs that he ruins but even songs from Infinite are ruined by his flat tuneless delivery. As for not learning the lyrics, that is amateur stuff, the band have to learn how to play the songs don’t they?
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A sportsman cannot go onto a pitch/court and pretend he can still play. This is the difference, Gillan still goes on stage and pretends he can sing. It is not only MK II songs that he ruins but even songs from Infinite are ruined by his flat tuneless delivery. As for not learning the lyrics, that is amateur stuff, the band have to learn how to play the songs don’t they?



totally agree
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A sportsman cannot go onto a pitch/court and pretend he can still play. This is the difference, Gillan still goes on stage and pretends he can sing. It is not only MK II songs that he ruins but even songs from Infinite are ruined by his flat tuneless delivery. As for not learning the lyrics, that is amateur stuff, the band have to learn how to play the songs don’t they?



totally agree



Gillan seems to do pretty well, considering his current state, on the studio albums. Live, he isn't too good. Why, though, did he sound pretty good with Don Airey? Maybe it didn't require him to strain his voice.

Either way, IG doesn't sound good for the most part on this current tour, although there are moments. Not enough, for sure. Hopefully this is it for the live stuff. I doubt it. I think that they would wheel Ian out in a wheelchair after a laryngectomy and he would plug his trach hole and wheeze out some tunes. His fan boys would still pronounce him at the top of his game. Oy! emoticon
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A sportsman cannot go onto a pitch/court and pretend he can still play. This is the difference, Gillan still goes on stage and pretends he can sing. It is not only MK II songs that he ruins but even songs from Infinite are ruined by his flat tuneless delivery. As for not learning the lyrics, that is amateur stuff, the band have to learn how to play the songs don’t they?



totally agree



Gillan seems to do pretty well, considering his current state, on the studio albums. Live, he isn't too good. Why, though, did he sound pretty good with Don Airey? Maybe it didn't require him to strain his voice.

Either way, IG doesn't sound good for the most part on this current tour, although there are moments. Not enough, for sure. Hopefully this is it for the live stuff. I doubt it. I think that they would wheel Ian out in a wheelchair after a laryngectomy and he would plug his trach hole and wheeze out some tunes. His fan boys would still pronounce him at the top of his game. Oy! emoticon




Cmon man the guy is in his 70s what do you expect!!! I thought he sounded good at this Hell fest show - band was damn good!! I think he sounded better on the solo tour because he had background singers to do the chorus with him. Maybe they should consider having background singers to help with DP? That said he still sounds good live on his own. Some songs like ST is where he can use some help...
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I doubt that he hasn't "bothered" to remember the lyrics. His memory is probably not as good as once it was. All the lyrics that i grew up with in the 80's i can remember but the words to the latest albums don't stick in the same way and i'm only 53.
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I doubt that he hasn't "bothered" to remember the lyrics. His memory is probably not as good as once it was. All the lyrics that i grew up with in the 80's i can remember but the words to the latest albums don't stick in the same way and i'm only 53.



I guess this is simply down to the fact that the songs from the latest albums are not memorable, and not played often?
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not at all. Wierdistan is one of my all time favourite tracks (most listens of any track on my ipod) but i still can't get all the lyrics right. Ditto Rapture. But i can remember every damn word of painted horse- which certainly isn't my favourite DP track.
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not at all. Wierdistan is one of my all time favourite tracks (most listens of any track on my ipod) but i still can't get all the lyrics right. Ditto Rapture. But i can remember every damn word of painted horse- which certainly isn't my favourite DP track.



I think that when we were young it was important for us to know the words to the songs we liked. Today we just like to listen and enjoy the music.
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