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The story goes that IG hated the music that was being put forward for S&M but was in no place to put any alternative ides forward. His lifestyle at the time was not very professional and he simply played into RB's hands. He couldn't sing nor contribute any ideas and the rest of the band agreed with RB that they should out him and get in a singer that could sing.
Everything to this point seems perfectly acceptable, but then they offered the job to JLT who was 100% the wrong choice.




Im not sure that Ian Gillan was ever very professional?Thus the very premature demise of his incredible vocal talents.
Totally agree about JLT being 100% wrong for the job though, I actually like the S&M album but live JLT was cringeworthy at best.
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The story goes that IG hated the music that was being put forward for S&M but was in no place to put any alternative ides forward. His lifestyle at the time was not very professional and he simply played into RB's hands. He couldn't sing nor contribute any ideas and the rest of the band agreed with RB that they should out him and get in a singer that could sing.
Everything to this point seems perfectly acceptable, but then they offered the job to JLT who was 100% the wrong choice.




Im not sure that Ian Gillan was ever very professional?Thus the very premature demise of his incredible vocal talents.
Totally agree about JLT being 100% wrong for the job though, I actually like the S&M album but live JLT was cringeworthy at best.



Gillan was certainly 'problematic' back then, for sure. I've been playing some of the 1970-73 shows on Youtube and IG is just phenomenal. What became of his voice from near the end of 'Gillan' to the reunion is incredible and quite sad. He could put on a few good shows, but mostly not so good. You could see why they replaced him.

I don't hold JLT in contempt like many here. It as a difficult position for him and I think that he did his best. I saw them at the Auburn Hills show outside of Detroit and he was pretty good. Compared to another vocal killing spree by Gillan, it was a breath of fresh air. emoticon
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The story goes that IG hated the music that was being put forward for S&M but was in no place to put any alternative ides forward. His lifestyle at the time was not very professional and he simply played into RB's hands. He couldn't sing nor contribute any ideas and the rest of the band agreed with RB that they should out him and get in a singer that could sing.
Everything to this point seems perfectly acceptable, but then they offered the job to JLT who was 100% the wrong choice.




Im not sure that Ian Gillan was ever very professional?Thus the very premature demise of his incredible vocal talents.
Totally agree about JLT being 100% wrong for the job though, I actually like the S&M album but live JLT was cringeworthy at best.



Gillan was certainly 'problematic' back then, for sure. I've been playing some of the 1970-73 shows on Youtube and IG is just phenomenal. What became of his voice from near the end of 'Gillan' to the reunion is incredible and quite sad. He could put on a few good shows, but mostly not so good. You could see why they replaced him.

I don't hold JLT in contempt like many here. It as a difficult position for him and I think that he did his best. I saw them at the Auburn Hills show outside of Detroit and he was pretty good. Compared to another vocal killing spree by Gillan, it was a breath of fresh air. emoticon




Whilst his spell with Sabbath generally is cited as the reason for destroying his voice, it was ruined before the end of Gillan.
I agree that vocal wise there was no comparison between IG & JLT at the time, but to me it just sounded like Rainbow. There was absolutely nothing to remind me that I was listening to DP.
No wonder RB had had enough by then.
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The story goes that IG hated the music that was being put forward for S&M but was in no place to put any alternative ides forward. His lifestyle at the time was not very professional and he simply played into RB's hands. He couldn't sing nor contribute any ideas and the rest of the band agreed with RB that they should out him and get in a singer that could sing.
Everything to this point seems perfectly acceptable, but then they offered the job to JLT who was 100% the wrong choice.




Im not sure that Ian Gillan was ever very professional?Thus the very premature demise of his incredible vocal talents.
Totally agree about JLT being 100% wrong for the job though, I actually like the S&M album but live JLT was cringeworthy at best.



Gillan was certainly 'problematic' back then, for sure. I've been playing some of the 1970-73 shows on Youtube and IG is just phenomenal. What became of his voice from near the end of 'Gillan' to the reunion is incredible and quite sad. He could put on a few good shows, but mostly not so good. You could see why they replaced him.

I don't hold JLT in contempt like many here. It as a difficult position for him and I think that he did his best. I saw them at the Auburn Hills show outside of Detroit and he was pretty good. Compared to another vocal killing spree by Gillan, it was a breath of fresh air. emoticon




Whilst his spell with Sabbath generally is cited as the reason for destroying his voice, it was ruined before the end of Gillan.
I agree that vocal wise there was no comparison between IG & JLT at the time, but to me it just sounded like Rainbow. There was absolutely nothing to remind me that I was listening to DP.
No wonder RB had had enough by then.



His voice was in bad shape towards the end of Gillan, but it was repairable. The Sabbath stint was just the final nail in the coffin. Comparing his voice from early 1982 to the end of Sabbath, you could hear the total ruination of his pipes. The Off The Record show at Gillingham Studios in early 1982 shows him sounding pretty good. Recordings from later that year show him harsh and ragged. Not getting his voice back in shape and then going to Sabbath totally baked his chords. emoticon Too bad.
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I think i’d have preferred RB to have gone back to RBR in 1988, the problem is the rest would have done anything to keep the DP wagon a rollin’..... history repeating etc. as with 1973 Paice’s asking ‘what would keep you in DP?’. Roger was sacrificied back then, just IG in 88. The other 3 are the mercenaries here, I can’t blame them but that’s the truth.

Of course Bruce Payne in the background was a factor, little is known of his reaction when RB said he wanted to quit in 88.
I’d guess, he’d have said sound out the rest of the band and let’s take it from there. he and IG didn’t get on of course at that poin
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Exactly, what could IP, JL and RG do if Purple called it a day?
Gillan could always try another solo career but both IGB and Gillan ended in a blizzard of debt so there was no money there.
The only person who could have an effective solo career was [sign in to see URL] meant he always got his own way.
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that's exactly it, until of course they showed some unity in 1993, as had been the case in 1974
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I think i’d have preferred RB to have gone back to RBR in 1988, the problem is the rest would have done anything to keep the DP wagon a rollin’..... history repeating etc. as with 1973 Paice’s asking ‘what would keep you in DP?’. Roger was sacrificied back then, just IG in 88. The other 3 are the mercenaries here, I can’t blame them but that’s the truth.

Of course Bruce Payne in the background was a factor, little is known of his reaction when RB said he wanted to quit in 88.
I’d guess, he’d have said sound out the rest of the band and let’s take it from there. he and IG didn’t get on of course at that poin



I have no problem with the other members being mercenaries, most musicians are. The ridiculous comments since RB left DP have shown exactly what the other members are, constantly cat-calling and telling lies about the 93 tour.
As said previously, the only option was for RB to leave as he was the only one who was capable of a solo career.
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I think i’d have preferred RB to have gone back to RBR in 1988, the problem is the rest would have done anything to keep the DP wagon a rollin’..... history repeating etc. as with 1973 Paice’s asking ‘what would keep you in DP?’. Roger was sacrificied back then, just IG in 88. The other 3 are the mercenaries here, I can’t blame them but that’s the truth.

Of course Bruce Payne in the background was a factor, little is known of his reaction when RB said he wanted to quit in 88.
I’d guess, he’d have said sound out the rest of the band and let’s take it from there. he and IG didn’t get on of course at that poin



I have no problem with the other members being mercenaries, most musicians are. The ridiculous comments since RB left DP have shown exactly what the other members are, constantly cat-calling and telling lies about the 93 tour.
As said previously, the only option was for RB to leave as he was the only one who was capable of a solo career.



They should tour as Ian Gillan's Deep Purple or something along that line. It has basically become whatever he wants it to be.

From what I've heard, he sounds OK on this tour. Aside from that G-D awful 'Gillan Recites' section emoticon in SKOW, they sound pretty tight.
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I think i’d have preferred RB to have gone back to RBR in 1988, the problem is the rest would have done anything to keep the DP wagon a rollin’..... history repeating etc. as with 1973 Paice’s asking ‘what would keep you in DP?’. Roger was sacrificied back then, just IG in 88. The other 3 are the mercenaries here, I can’t blame them but that’s the truth.

Of course Bruce Payne in the background was a factor, little is known of his reaction when RB said he wanted to quit in 88.
I’d guess, he’d have said sound out the rest of the band and let’s take it from there. he and IG didn’t get on of course at that poin



I have no problem with the other members being mercenaries, most musicians are. The ridiculous comments since RB left DP have shown exactly what the other members are, constantly cat-calling and telling lies about the 93 tour.
As said previously, the only option was for RB to leave as he was the only one who was capable of a solo career.



They should tour as Ian Gillan's Deep Purple or something along that line. It has basically become whatever he wants it to be.

From what I've heard, he sounds OK on this tour. Aside from that G-D awful 'Gillan Recites' section emoticon in SKOW, they sound pretty tight.



Yes th current SKOW is a new low for IG/DP.
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