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Just gave a spin to a few tracks from Brussels 1993 and it seems the gig was almost as good as the Stuttgart one, with both Blackers and especially Gillan in fine form.



I think that Gillan basically sounded ragged and harsh on the Stuttgart recording more than horrendous. Thank goodness that WFT and Paint It Black were incorporated into Space Truckin' rather than stand alone tunes. Gillan certainly could have learned the words to PIB, at least one verse. Brussels was certainly better than than Stuttgart, as far as Gillan was concerned, but I don't think that it was musically much, if any, better.

Either way, Gillan should have cut way back on the screaming, if you could call it that. It was like his hand was caught in a meat grinder. It is a shame how bad his voice was on many of these recordings. emoticon
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We brought a lot of energy to the now-demolished Sports Arena and many top acts played there.




Oh man, seriously? I saw a lot of great shows there, including HoBL. When did they level it? Did they build anything in replacement?



They took it down ten years ago. It was a great venue. We had all the top groups play there, including the infamous Yes show where the temps got over 120 degrees and the Alice Cooper show where some idiot tossed an M80 on stage. Alice was pretty chipped and didn't play here again for a number of years, but Yes came back not long after and put on a great show.

The HOBL show was great. I thought that Gillan sounded pretty good and the band was cooking. The opening act was Bad Company with Brian Howe in place of Rodgers, who I think was touring with Page and the Firm. They did a nice job.

They put a new arena in the middle of town. It's a beautiful place, but parking basically sucks. Elton John has played here, along with Bob Seger and other big headliners.



I met Ozzy there for the first time on the No More Tears [sign in to see URL] of course HoBL and countless [sign in to see URL] loved that place.
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I guess I got lucky with three great reunion era shows. Each member was in excellent form.

1) Cow Palace (San Francisco, CA)*
2) Shoreline Amphitheater (Mountain View, CA)
3) Cal Expo Amphitheater (Sacramento, CA)*

*I've heard the bootleg and it confirmed my pleasant memories.
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Just gave a spin to a few tracks from Brussels 1993 and it seems the gig was almost as good as the Stuttgart one, with both Blackers and especially Gillan in fine form.



I think that Gillan basically sounded ragged and harsh on the Stuttgart recording more than horrendous. Thank goodness that WFT and Paint It Black were incorporated into Space Truckin' rather than stand alone tunes. Gillan certainly could have learned the words to PIB, at least one verse. Brussels was certainly better than than Stuttgart, as far as Gillan was concerned, but I don't think that it was musically much, if any, better.

Either way, Gillan should have cut way back on the screaming, if you could call it that. It was like his hand was caught in a meat grinder. It is a shame how bad his voice was on many of these recordings. emoticon


I think we should not forget that it wasn't Gillan's idea to be in the band for this tour. They had recorded the TBRO tracks to have JLT singing them. Then, when JLT was fired, they thought about getting another singer. Then the management wanted Gillan back because of some "25th anniversary" fuzz (btw: to celebrate a proper 25th anniversary in 1993 they would have needed to get Evans and Simper), and the band members except the guy who seemingly cared most about the quality of the vocals wanted Gillan back too. Gillan was off voice in these days, the Toolbox shows confirm that.

So considering all this it's not surprising to me that Gillan had voice problems during the 1993 shows. He hadn't been brought back because his voice was so great - it wasn't. What surprises me is that, except Mr B and a part of the fans, noone saw a problem in all that. There was some strange "Gillan is the only singer for DP no matter whether his voice is in shape" thing going on, and yes, I can understand that Blackmore didn't want to be a part of that scenery.

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Other things I could live without as far as the reunion DP goes are:
- DP covering a Rainbow/Beethoven tune
- CiT being butchered both instrumentally and vocally

Could have saved 22-25 minutes off the set.

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Other things I could live without as far as the reunion DP goes are:
- DP covering a Rainbow/Beethoven tune
- CiT being butchered both instrumentally and vocally

Could have saved 22-25 minutes off the set.



agreed
to be honest though I'm still of the opinion that the reunion happened 5 years too late and thus would have been better not happening at all.
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Yeah, it's just that I've seen people qualify the Stuttgart recordings as the "MiJ of the 90's", which I find a bit of an exaggeration.


I understand this as "what MIJ is for the 1970's, Stuttgart is for the 1990's". And for me there's some truth in that. Although Stuttgart of course can't compete with MIJ in a "one by one comparison".



This is interesting..... maybe good enough for topic standalone...

What is Made In Japan for 70s is.... probably nothing for 80s... then I would say Total Abandon (Stuttgart is great gig but it´s simply rough soundboard tape from great gig rather than proper live album in terms of Live In Europe 93 box) for 90s... then I would say Live At NEC 2002 for 00s and Budokan 14 for 10s! emoticon

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(Stuttgart is great gig but it´s simply rough soundboard tape from great gig rather than proper live album in terms of Live In Europe 93 box)


For me it's about the music, not about the production.

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Budokan 14 for 10s! emoticon


2010's? Memories in Rock. emoticon
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Stuttgart is wonderful musically but the vocals are dreadful. I think the re-union was worth it, PS is a great album and NEC on the HOBL tour was a great show.

Nothing in MK Morse is worthy of a comparison of MIJ, mainly because of the singer.
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Just gave a spin to a few tracks from Brussels 1993 and it seems the gig was almost as good as the Stuttgart one, with both Blackers and especially Gillan in fine form.



I think that Gillan basically sounded ragged and harsh on the Stuttgart recording more than horrendous. Thank goodness that WFT and Paint It Black were incorporated into Space Truckin' rather than stand alone tunes. Gillan certainly could have learned the words to PIB, at least one verse. Brussels was certainly better than than Stuttgart, as far as Gillan was concerned, but I don't think that it was musically much, if any, better.

Either way, Gillan should have cut way back on the screaming, if you could call it that. It was like his hand was caught in a meat grinder. It is a shame how bad his voice was on many of these recordings. emoticon


I think we should not forget that it wasn't Gillan's idea to be in the band for this tour. They had recorded the TBRO tracks to have JLT singing them. Then, when JLT was fired, they thought about getting another singer. Then the management wanted Gillan back because of some "25th anniversary" fuzz (btw: to celebrate a proper 25th anniversary in 1993 they would have needed to get Evans and Simper), and the band members except the guy who seemingly cared most about the quality of the vocals wanted Gillan back too. Gillan was off voice in these days, the Toolbox shows confirm that.

So considering all this it's not surprising to me that Gillan had voice problems during the 1993 shows. He hadn't been brought back because his voice was so great - it wasn't. What surprises me is that, except Mr B and a part of the fans, noone saw a problem in all that. There was some strange "Gillan is the only singer for DP no matter whether his voice is in shape" thing going on, and yes, I can understand that Blackmore
 want to be a part of that scenery.




If it wasn't Gillan's idea why did he join?
What a BS after they fired JLT they should have quit or have hired a decent singer.
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