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They need to get in the studio and record a new album.



Allegedly these days making albums is not where the money is made. Now seemingly the money is made from playing live or touring. So what's the point in making a new album for a loss unless you plan to tour extensively to make the money?

In Blackmore's case he says he doesn't like the endless tours and in fact I suspect now he couldn't handle playing night after night at all. I just don't think he can do it physically now. So making a new Album seems relatively pointless and presently he can draw a decent crowd for a few select gigs here and there and doubtless make plenty from it.

So overall that would seem the most likely outcome. No Album, just a few strategically placed Arena/festival sized shows, for big money and without having to play every night.

Also the 95' version of Rainbow while it was great, the Album from it( which personally I really like ) doesn't seem to have captured the imagination of the public in the same way as the much earlier Dio material. A new album would probably suffer a similar fate or worse if it was like the "2 new tracks " released recently which were not exactly wonderful really. People seem to just want to hear the "old stuff" and that's what he's famous for anyway, so as they say "think about the money and give them what they want".

As ever with Blackmore, who knows what he might do next, we will be the last to know for sure!!
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doggone wrote:

They need to get in the studio and record a new album.



Allegedly these days making albums is not where the money is made. Now seemingly the money is made from playing live or touring. So what's the point in making a new album for a loss unless you plan to tour extensively to make the money?

In Blackmore's case he says he doesn't like the endless tours and in fact I suspect now he couldn't handle playing night after night at all. I just don't think he can do it physically now. So making a new Album seems relatively pointless and presently he can draw a decent crowd for a few select gigs here and there and doubtless make plenty from it.

So overall that would seem the most likely outcome. No Album, just a few strategically placed Arena/festival sized shows, for big money and without having to play every night.

Also the 95' version of Rainbow while it was great, the Album from it( which personally I really like ) doesn't seem to have captured the imagination of the public in the same way as the much earlier Dio material. A new album would probably suffer a similar fate or worse if it was like the "2 new tracks " released recently which were not exactly wonderful really. People seem to just want to hear the "old stuff" and that's what he's famous for anyway, so as they say "think about the money and give them what they want".

As ever with Blackmore, who knows what he might do next, we will be the last to know for sure!!



Sounds spot onto me.
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They need to get in the studio and record a new album.



I agree. But much as I want to hear some new material I know it probably won't happen, for reasons we all know. (and if it happens he will use Pat Regan so it will be another poor, lightweight production)

I'm not sure about Japan. Ritchie hates to travel so unless there is some serious money involved it won't happen. We might get some dates in the States or some more European gigs like Germany and Scandinavia or possibly Eastern Europe. That way Ritchie can enjoy a holiday and see some castles between the gigs. But it all depends on his health.

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But much as I want to hear some new material I know it probably won't happen, for reasons we all know. (and if it happens he will use Pat Regan so it will be another poor, lightweight production)

Not necessarily - Pat Regan also produced Stranger in Us All. I would love to see it happen, but not as with the IS remake...make it live in the studio, but with a full band.
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But much as I want to hear some new material I know it probably won't happen, for reasons we all know. (and if it happens he will use Pat Regan so it will be another poor, lightweight production)

Not necessarily - Pat Regan also produced Stranger in Us All. I would love to see it happen, but not as with the IS remake...make it live in the studio, but with a full band.



It's not where the money is at all now.

That's why they released "Memory's in Rock", it was cheap to do by comparison with spending months in a studio to record something that probably will be lucky to return even the original investment, never mind the sort of profits that can easily be earned from a few well chosen large live gigs. The same is true of the "Birmingham 2016" CD, easy and cheap to produce and release. They played the gig anyway, so while playing just record the results and release it, extra costs, very minimal. That's why they did that as well. It the way to make more money.

In case anyone, at this stage, is still naïve enough to believe the "this is all about the music" bullsh1t, or Blackmore is "doing it for the fans"....... it isn't about "the music or the fans", it's entirely and wholly about "the money" and there isn't much money to be had from an Album apparently.

If they bother to produce another Album, it will be very low key, very low cost and done very quickly and quite probably of virtually no interest to the audience, the majority of whom seem stuck in the 70's or maybe 80's anyway, so new material, won't have a purpose.
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I know it's commercially difficult to happen, I know - but that does not detract from the fact I would love for it to happen...;-)
Besides, I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding recording costs: it is true that album sales have gone down, but it's also true that studio time in the past was inflated as the rockstar status allowed bands to noodle endlessly in the studio, making the bills for the record company rise. Remember the fruitless sessions for WDWTWA? These days, bands work out their songs well before entering the studio, and only need a few days to record them - it would be different if they needed a studio to WRITE the album, but who does that nowadays?
And distribution costs have also gone down dramatically, both because the logistics are cheaper even with lower quantities, and because you can deliver electronically to remote places.
So all in all, I agree the album sales are much lower, but if he did another SIUA, which sold approx. 400K copies, he would still make a lot more money with it than he did in 1995.
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I know it's commercially difficult to happen, I know - but that does not detract from the fact I would love for it to happen...;-)
Besides, I think there's a bit of a misconception regarding recording costs: it is true that album sales have gone down, but it's also true that studio time in the past was inflated as the rockstar status allowed bands to noodle endlessly in the studio, making the bills for the record company rise. Remember the fruitless sessions for WDWTWA? These days, bands work out their songs well before entering the studio, and only need a few days to record them - it would be different if they needed a studio to WRITE the album, but who does that nowadays?
And distribution costs have also gone down dramatically, both because the logistics are cheaper even with lower quantities, and because you can deliver electronically to remote places.
So all in all, I agree the album sales are much lower, but if he did another SIUA, which sold approx. 400K copies, he would still make a lot more money with it than he did in 1995.


I agree that some new material would indeed be really great, if it was great.........

but we have been getting "new material "from BN for years now and frankly so much of it sounds the same it's hardly worth the bother. Each successive BN album regresses to it's predecessors, has the same format, the same split song( slow with vocals, followed by speeded-up version as instrumental!), random covers , the same solos, both on electric and acoustic and so on. It almost feels like t's pointless buying the "new cd" to hear the same old, rehashed yet again. It's not new, it's re-worked!

So maybe Blackmore still has more to say in "a rock fashion", but equally it maybe that he actually doesn't and as I've said before, whereas I personally thought SIUA was a great album and I loved the live shows that followed it, where I through Blackmore's playing and sound/tone were his best in rock, I still don't think it really set the heather on fire. 400K sales, is not to shabby at all, but the tracks are not what the audiences seem to want to hear at these recent shows.

Personally I'd take most of the SIUA album at a live show in preference to all the old 70's stuff any-day, but that's a very minority view I know! Seems everyone wants to hear Rainbow Rising basically, which is great, but very backwards looking in my view and definitely not where Blackmore is really at anymore.

If they did a new album, it would have to be something really special I think and not just a remake/re-record of all the "old favourites" and I just can't see that happening really, because I don't think it's in him anymore to do it. Again, in my view, these recent shows are not about Blackmore "returning to rock" or "doing it for the fans", or "doing it for nostalgia", they are just about good old hard cash and lot's of it! Hey and why not, money makes the world go round after all!


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I agree with all that you've said, and just wanted to explain why I would like new music. It's actually very simple: Ritchie started doing heavy rock fairly early in his career and stuck with it until BN. He then explored other areas, which have influenced songwriting, soloing, etc - I would find it fascinating to hear what kind of rock he would be playing now, with these additional influences and matured playing. It would not be to hear Rising (which I am happy to hear live), but really to hear what has become of the rock player in him, like reconnecting with someone whom you haven't seen for a long time and you are curious to see what became of him/her.
Very unlikely it will happen, but after all, every single development in his last 2 years would have been defined likewise very unlikely by all of us until 2015...
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I agree with all that you've said, and just wanted to explain why I would like new music. It's actually very simple: Ritchie started doing heavy rock fairly early in his career and stuck with it until BN. He then explored other areas, which have influenced songwriting, soloing, etc - I would find it fascinating to hear what kind of rock he would be playing now, with these additional influences and matured playing. It would not be to hear Rising (which I am happy to hear live), but really to hear what has become of the rock player in him, like reconnecting with someone whom you haven't seen for a long time and you are curious to see what became of him/her.
Very unlikely it will happen, but after all, every single development in his last 2 years would have been defined likewise very unlikely by all of us until 2015...



I don't disagree at all and it would be interesting to see what his take on Rock might now be.

I think really this supposed "return to Rock/Rainbow" is nothing more than an extension of Blackmore's Night really. Essentially he is using the same musicians who have been the backbone of BN. Excepting Jens who is effectively a session player and Ronnie.

In BN he would play some of the older songs either as electric versions or acoustic versions. For the "Rainbow/Return to Rock" all he has actually done, is added a few more old tunes to the repertoire and mostly played it all on electric. The rehearsals have been brief and the band has largely appeared less rehearsed than BN itself normally would!

They have added a "big stage" lightshow, nice backdrop images( this year ). Equipment wise he's using the same gear as BN, perhaps fewer acoustic amps and more ENGL amps visible, but the tone/sound is the same as he uses in BN when playing Electric. He's got a singer who can sing the tunes, unlike Candice, who couldn't sing rock if her life depended on it, and to me it's very much like BN with a different singer, playing old Rainbow tunes. Its fair enough, no issues with that, but it's more BN than Rainbow.

So I'd guess any "New Album" coming from here will be more BN than Rainbow and hardly better for it, judging by the more "rock" orientated tunes on the various BN Albums.

I do agree that as ever Blackmore may surprise everyone and whatever he is or isn't planning you can be sure we will all be the last to find out what it might be!
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My gut feeling is that there is much more in this 'return to rock' move than money...
1 - a sense of time slipping away, and with it the possibility of playing these songs in front of large crowds. Isn't he the spotlight kid?
2 - a sense of unfinished business. After all, Rainbow was never 'disbanded' in 1997, it was 'put on the backburner' in his own words.
3 - a sense of having stalled with BN. He cannot say it openly, of course, but he may have felt the repetitiveness we often describe. Plus, he's never done the same thing for so long before, and could welcome some new challenge.

Add that to money, and you get the flurry of Raibow-related stuff we've seen lately, with a lot of live releases, his story on DVD, and of course the comeback.
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