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I know I was harsh last year, but I've seen a DVD of the London show, audio dubbed with a proper AUD audio recording and it was good. Yes, there were sloppy parts of RB, almost always has been. But some of these YT videos are just made with a crappy cell phone, by people who do not know anything about recording live shows.

Watching that London show, made me believe the old git still got it inside him. Not his old self, but a much more than decent performance throughout and some very inspired soloing. Hat's of to grumpy.



Here we go with the usual old crap about how the YT clips "somehow magically don't show what really happened" in the gig. This is just utter nonsense. SURE they don't have the sound quality and SURE they don't capture the atmosphere BUT they very effectively capture EVERY mistake and mistiming and EVERY bum note.

I have to ask what would you prefer to see ?

A nice polished overdubbed, skilfully edited dvd where everything is absolutely perfect BUT everything is entirely FAKE.

Or REALITY a less polished YT Clips where everything is actually REAL and WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PLAYED, INCLUDING THE RUBBISH BITS ?

I just can't understand the thought process that says a YT Clip doesn't show what they did and somehow it makes them seem worse than they actually were?????!!!!

A YT clip shows EXACTLY how good or bad their playing was or wasn't, simple as that, no edits, no overdubs, just what happened on the night.
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Wasn't at the gig but it seems that things didn't go so well in places and better in others. Blackmore's tone was quality as usual but either he's drunk or slowing up quite badly because he seems out of place with the band quite a lot. Also the more frequent slide playing suggests he's maybe struggling with finger problems at that gig. When did Spotlight Kid have a slide part?

The end of Smoke was............. sloppy as it fizzled out the audience didn't seem to chuffed. I could swear after "TOtK interlude someone shouted out "Utter Sh1te" but maybe I misheard.

I didn't see any big screens but maybe there were some, if not then for many watching that gig would be like seeing a spec in the distance. The band played well enough, but they are not exactly exciting to watch, very inanimate. Blackmores days of leaping about are gone, but there's not much to watch and the playing hasn't the sparkle of yester year .

Of the songs on YT clips Soldier of Fortune seemed the most comfortable for Blackmore, he almost sounds better on acoustic now than electric.

Great guitar sound, but I'm glad I didn't let someone buy me a ticket and a helicopter trip for that one, even that wouldn't tempt me to witness the death of a legend this way. Hopefully having collected the Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow, Blackmore will finally call a halt to it.
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mrsnip wrote:

I know I was harsh last year, but I've seen a DVD of the London show, audio dubbed with a proper AUD audio recording and it was good. Yes, there were sloppy parts of RB, almost always has been. But some of these YT videos are just made with a crappy cell phone, by people who do not know anything about recording live shows.

Watching that London show, made me believe the old git still got it inside him. Not his old self, but a much more than decent performance throughout and some very inspired soloing. Hat's of to grumpy.



Here we go with the usual old crap about how the YT clips "somehow magically don't show what really happened" in the gig. This is just utter nonsense. SURE they don't have the sound quality and SURE they don't capture the atmosphere BUT they very effectively capture EVERY mistake and mistiming and EVERY bum note.

I have to ask what would you prefer to see ?

A nice polished overdubbed, skilfully edited dvd where everything is absolutely perfect BUT everything is entirely FAKE.

Or REALITY a less polished YT Clips where everything is actually REAL and WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PLAYED, INCLUDING THE RUBBISH BITS ?

I just can't understand the thought process that says a YT Clip doesn't show what they did and somehow it makes them seem worse than they actually were?????!!!!

A YT clip shows EXACTLY how good or bad their playing was or wasn't, simple as that, no edits, no overdubs, just what happened on the night.



Ok, a YT clip shows exactlty what's been played BUT depending on the device and the place of the recorder in the concert hall, some (sometimes most) frequencies are lost and only part of what was played can be heard. If it's a "true recording but the sound is all messy or you can only hear one out of five instruments , it isn't true or representative to what was played that night.

So, it's NOT exactly how good or how bad the playing was, it's just a snippet captured with plus or minus good luck, un-mixed, and potentially parasited by surrounding noises from the crowd.

So because it's a YT raw footage, it doesn't mean it's really what was heard at the concert.

The soundboard sound will probably be the closest thing to reality.

The re-mixed version will be the most pleasant version to listen to.

The re-recorded will be a complete other thing.



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Wow, that is very sad. Thankfully I took the decision not to go to Birmingham and it appears that I have made the correct choice.
What went wrong at the end of TTOTK? Did everyone just get fed up? Not acceptable at all.
As much as I have no real excitement for the DP concert in November in Birmingham I have no fears that SM and DA will forget where they are in the song.

Just really sad, why would anyone want to see RB perform like that? He was truly magnificent in his day but age and arthritis wait for no man.




i don't know so much that it is sad? its just life, we all get old (if were lucky enough) even legendary guitarists.
Ritchie Blackmore for me in his day was quite simply untouchable amongst his peers.His day was a LONG time ago now though.
The guy has had a magnificent life and left his mark on the rock world which is much much more than the ordinary people on this forum.
Sad? No ,inevitable ,Yes!!



RB has been all of the things you say and much more, but I still found it sad. Can't help but think I made the correct decision not to see a hero of mine perform so averagely.
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The end of Smoke was............. sloppy as it fizzled out the audience didn't seem to chuffed. I could swear after "TOtK interlude someone shouted out "Utter Sh1te" but maybe I misheard.



"This is sh1te", I believe. Good old Glasgow audiences emoticon

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I didn't see any big screens but maybe there were some, if not then for many watching that gig would be like seeing a spec in the distance.



There were no big screens. I was fairly near the front(*) so it wasn't an issue for me, but for a venue the size of the Hydro they're pretty much essential.

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The band played well enough, but they are not exactly exciting to watch, very inanimate.



Bob moved about a bit, but generally agree. I thought musically they were pretty good, with the odd lapse.

* - a few rows away from Blackmore's children and Carole Stevens, as it happens. They lasted Spotlight Kid and a few bars of I Surrender before walking out with fingers in their ears emoticon

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Yes, Carole her husband plus kids right in front of me, as you say john not for long! Great night but not perfect by any means. Not sure what you refer to in Smoke BSB, Ritchie actually played a second solo at the end for once. The awkward moments were of course during the keys solo, and the late start. The intro tape having gone round a second time.
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BagShotBullets wrote:

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mrsnip wrote:

I know I was harsh last year, but I've seen a DVD of the London show, audio dubbed with a proper AUD audio recording and it was good. Yes, there were sloppy parts of RB, almost always has been. But some of these YT videos are just made with a crappy cell phone, by people who do not know anything about recording live shows.

Watching that London show, made me believe the old git still got it inside him. Not his old self, but a much more than decent performance throughout and some very inspired soloing. Hat's of to grumpy.



Here we go with the usual old crap about how the YT clips "somehow magically don't show what really happened" in the gig. This is just utter nonsense. SURE they don't have the sound quality and SURE they don't capture the atmosphere BUT they very effectively capture EVERY mistake and mistiming and EVERY bum note.

I have to ask what would you prefer to see ?

A nice polished overdubbed, skilfully edited dvd where everything is absolutely perfect BUT everything is entirely FAKE.

Or REALITY a less polished YT Clips where everything is actually REAL and WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PLAYED, INCLUDING THE RUBBISH BITS ?

I just can't understand the thought process that says a YT Clip doesn't show what they did and somehow it makes them seem worse than they actually were?????!!!!

A YT clip shows EXACTLY how good or bad their playing was or wasn't, simple as that, no edits, no overdubs, just what happened on the night.



Ok, a YT clip shows exactlty what's been played BUT depending on the device and the place of the recorder in the concert hall, some (sometimes most) frequencies are lost and only part of what was played can be heard. If it's a "true recording but the sound is all messy or you can only hear one out of five instruments , it isn't true or representative to what was played that night.

So, it's NOT exactly how good or how bad the playing was, it's just a snippet captured with plus or minus good luck, un-mixed, and potentially parasited by surrounding noises from the crowd.

So because it's a YT raw footage, it doesn't mean it's really what was heard at the concert.

The soundboard sound will probably be the closest thing to reality.

The re-mixed version will be the most pleasant version to listen to.

The re-recorded will be a complete other thing.




I agree with some of your points but fundamentally disagree with the notion that somehow what the camera phone saw and heard was not WHAT they actually played.

For example should the guitar have played a "G-Chord" and by mistake played a "Bb chord" this will be there for all to see. By the logic you seem to be applying you're suggesting somehow that this won't be seen or heard, because it's a camera phone or a YT clip. Sorry but that doesn't make sense.

If they play the wrong chord it's there to be seen and heard in YT via a pro camera or a camera phone but may well mysteriously and magically disappear in the final "LIVE" DVD only to reappear as the correct "G-Chord", for example! It fake sh1t, they release mostly as "Live DVD".

I totally agree with you and always have said in my posts about YT clips, they don't give the best sound quality nor the best balance nor any feel for the atmosphere at the actual gig, BUT they very definitely don't create mistakes for the players and they very definitely show the mistakes made by the players where they are, therefore to me they represent a record of WHAT they actually played, albeit without the production level sound. Some of the YT clips from these Rainbow gigs across both years have been very very good quality and very clearly illustrate where things didn't happen as expected.

Last night they clearly f*ckedup the end of TOTK going into Smoke. Now That had nothing to do with a camera phone but I'd bet your months salary that if they had filmed it for a DVD that would either have been edited out or redone in audio to cover it up. Fact is they f*cked up that bit and many others in all these shows and the camera phone or YT clips let you hear and see it all, because that WHAT they actually played on the night, regardless of the sound quality/balance

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Yes, Carole her husband plus kids right in front of me, as you say john not for long! Great night but not perfect by any means. Not sure what you refer to in Smoke BSB, Ritchie actually played a second solo at the end for once. The awkward moments were of course during the keys solo, and the late start. The intro tape having gone round a second time.



Watch the totk video where they attempt to end the song and move to SOTW. SOme shouts out "Utter Sh1te", perhaps summing up the whole occasion really. Anyway watch the clip Its a complete mess, of band confusion, BLackmore confusion and basically plays out like a shambles really. AT £50+ a ticket, it's not the best. Blackmore seems to have struggled in Glasgow on various levels, perhaps his finger problems playing up, perhaps he's too drunk, perhaps he is really too old for a whole gig of rock etc etc. Some good bits it seems but in equal measure with the not so good bits.

As usual his guitar tone, sounded sublime and some of the playing was really nice stuff, melodic and so on, but a lot was out of time and clearly on some faster runs he doesn't make it back in time. He's old and probably shouldn't be doing this to himself. It is what it is however.
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"Worst gig this year so far"
"Awesome"
"Really enjoyed it"
"Pleasantly surprised"
"Well I loved it"
"Encores were terrible. At best 5/10"
"Great band in a sh1te venue"
"Felt like a Rainbow/Deep Purple tribute act"
"There was much class about the night"
"His playing was terrible. It was like a poor pub band with a decent singer. I can't think of one riff he played well"
"I enjoyed it but it all seemed a bit tired"
"Loved it, just loved it"
"I thought it was amazing"
"£30 gig with a £65 price ticket"

All online comments. Isn't it brilliant how a Blackmore gig can polarise opinion! emoticon


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I saw Rainbow last year in Bietigheim and saw Deep Purple two weeks ago in Stuttgart. I enjoyed both shows tremendously although they were miles apart from 1972 or 1977 when both bands were at their respective peak.

I love the DP family as they were and are able to give me a wonderful time - with their music from the record, from ancient live tapes or even still (!!!!) from today's shows.
I always found it odd to judge a live gig only by the playing alone. If such, in most cases I stay at home with a studio CD, using expensive equipment, earphones and chase wife + kid out of the house.
The mood at the concert itself also plays a crucial role. And that's definitely something you can't get at home, sitting in your comfy chair and playing with the controls of your Sonos or whatever.

Just sitting in the chair, waiting for a bum note (which will come these years) and then sighing "Oh, they don't cut the mustard any more, glad I didn't go!" means to me wasting opportunities to have a good time.
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