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lightintheblack0
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Re: MKII Reunion albums
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Perfect Strangers is a good (not great)album but at the time sounded more like Rainbow than DP to me.Blackmore was brilliant on the album the rest were passable
THOBL was enjoyable and a bit more DP sounding to me in that it wasn't as formulaic as PS
TBRO has a few good tracks but i find it a pretty dull album.
i am still of the opinion that it would have been better if the reunion hadn't happened at all.For me post reunion DP albums never even approached the brilliance of the 70s.The ideas weren't there and if were being honest the abilities of the members had faded.The reunion was 5 years too late IMHO.I hardly listen to any post reunion DP.
I've never understood when people say that PS was more of a Rainbow album.
If I listen to the Dio-era albums it has very little in common with it, and if compared to the JLT era, it sounds even less like it, especially the very last of them (BooS) which was just a terrible AOR album with some good guitar solos.
If PS sounds anything like a Rainbow album, then it would be "Down to Earth", a solid Hard rock album with great soloing and melodies, and with the keyboards slightly behind the guitars.
I really hated what Rainbow had become by 1983, and was happy RB came back to a more "rock" sound and production. I think most tracks on PS are very much the successors of the rock tracks on WDWTWA, and the epicness of PS and KAYBD took off where songs like Our Lady or Rat Bat Blue left off.
Of course by then RB was back with some fire-which he wasn't during the WDWTWA sessions and Paice and Lord had calmed down, which probably gave PS a more steady/ wiser(?) feel than anything recorded in the 70's by dP.
For me it sounds like a Rainbow album simply because of the guitar work and obvious MASSIVE Blackmore input to the songwriting.
Blackmores tone and playing had changed from the 70s DP work and it was a more familiar Rainbow tone he had for PS IMHO.
Ritchies work is instantly recognisable and inspired on the album where Jon and Paiceys work was a lower standard than thier 70s output i.e. less inspired and free and yes less virtuosic.
I think its what Rainbow would have sounded like had Gillan joined instead of Bonnet.
I don't think its anything like WDWTWA in any way shape or form??
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25/6/2017, 18:21
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For me it sounds like a Rainbow album simply because of the guitar work and obvious MASSIVE Blackmore input to the songwriting.
Blackmores tone and playing had changed from the 70s DP work and it was a more familiar Rainbow tone he had for PS IMHO.
Ritchies work is instantly recognisable and inspired on the album where Jon and Paiceys work was a lower standard than thier 70s output i.e. less inspired and free and yes less virtuosic.
I think its what Rainbow would have sounded like had Gillan joined instead of Bonnet.
I don't think its anything like WDWTWA in any way shape or form??
No it doesn't sound anything like WDWTWA -and that is a good thing because that album wasn't very inspired.
Perfect Strangers is a much better album all around, and the proper follow up to Machine Head IMO.
I don't think it sounds anything like Rainbow either. Even on the first track you can hear it is the real deal. DP was back! To say Lord and Paicey's work was of a lower standard than their 70s output isn't exactly true. Their styles were different (but that goes for the whole band.) If anything this album shows how much Ritchie needed them.
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25/6/2017, 18:57
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If anything this album shows how much Ritchie needed them.
if anything its the other way around??? their careers were going nowhere!!
Gillan was skint and past it, he had blown out his voice!!
Jon was a backing musician in Whitesnake and on his way because he didn't fit the image DC wanted
Paicey was playing with Gary Moore.
As Jon said himself PS was ALL ABOUT Ritchie Blackmore.
If you are trying to say the guys played to the 70s standard then thats just not the case.
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25/6/2017, 19:50
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For me it sounds like a Rainbow album simply because of the guitar work and obvious MASSIVE Blackmore input to the songwriting.
Blackmores tone and playing had changed from the 70s DP work and it was a more familiar Rainbow tone he had for PS IMHO.
Ritchies work is instantly recognisable and inspired on the album where Jon and Paiceys work was a lower standard than thier 70s output i.e. less inspired and free and yes less virtuosic.
I think its what Rainbow would have sounded like had Gillan joined instead of Bonnet.
I don't think its anything like WDWTWA in any way shape or form??
No it doesn't sound anything like WDWTWA -and that is a good thing because that album wasn't very inspired.
Perfect Strangers is a much better album all around, and the proper follow up to Machine Head IMO.
I don't think it sounds anything like Rainbow either. Even on the first track you can hear it is the real deal. DP was back! To say Lord and Paicey's work was of a lower standard than their 70s output isn't exactly true. Their styles were different (but that goes for the whole band.) If anything this album shows how much Ritchie needed them.
Fully agree - I love Perfect Strangers. If any album sounds more like "late" Rainbow, it´s THOBL. Perfect Strangers is perfect combination - of course that in terms of composition it´s mainly Ritchie´s work, no doubt, but overall sound is typical Purple (actually cant hear JLT Rainbow in that at all!) and some songs sounds to me even more close to the strongest Gillan material than Rainbow stuff. And as you say - Ritchie always needed counterpartnership, without strong opponent in the band he gets lost, at the time of Strangers, he rediscovered that partner mainly in IG, RG and JL. Perfect Strangers is Ritchie´s strongest work since Long Live Rock´n´Roll album (and I like Down To Earth album, but it´s still faaar behind greatness and "magic" of Strangers).
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25/6/2017, 21:19
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The first time I heard the track Perfect Strangers after the reunion news I was blown away.
I agree on two points with ptr, DTE is a fantastic album, I like it far more than LLRNR but PS is Deep Purple and is magnificent. Frankly I had nothing but reservations when the reunion news broke. Rainbow albums were getting worse with every release, IG had made a bit of an idiot of himself with how Gillan ended up and the ridiculous BS stint, and IP had been kicked out of WS and failed an audition for Gillan. My hopes were not high, but I absolutely loved PS upon release and still do to this day.
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IG had made a bit of an idiot of himself with how Gillan ended up and the ridiculous BS stint
It's funny how there's not a grey area when it comes to Born Again. I don't know that many people who are neutral about it. It's either the greatest thing ever or the worst.
Born Again is my favorite Sabbath album ... it sounds just like it came straight from hell, you couldn't have planned it... the cover, the poor production, the anecdotes involving the recording, etc.
I think it suits Black Sabbath much better than the more traditional epic heavy metal of the Dio era.
But i still get it why so many people dislike it
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26/6/2017, 13:38
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IG had made a bit of an idiot of himself with how Gillan ended up and the ridiculous BS stint
It's funny how there's not a grey area when it comes to Born Again. I don't know that many people who are neutral about it. It's either the greatest thing ever or the worst.
Born Again is my favorite Sabbath album ... it sounds just like it came straight from hell, you couldn't have planned it... the cover, the poor production, the anecdotes involving the recording, etc.
I think it suits Black Sabbath much better than the more traditional epic heavy metal of the Dio era.
But i still get it why so many people dislike it
I also like Born Again, and I think that Gillan sounds great on it. However after disbanding Gillan apparently due to voice problems (and financial problems again!!), he records BA with BS and goes around the world screaming and screeching and messes his voice up further. He also made a real idiot of himself during interviews during the tour, hopelessly drunk most of the time. Not a good look.
Easy to understand why the rest of Gillan felt so let down.
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IG had made a bit of an idiot of himself with how Gillan ended up and the ridiculous BS stint
It's funny how there's not a grey area when it comes to Born Again. I don't know that many people who are neutral about it. It's either the greatest thing ever or the worst.
Born Again is my favorite Sabbath album ... it sounds just like it came straight from hell, you couldn't have planned it... the cover, the poor production, the anecdotes involving the recording, etc.
I think it suits Black Sabbath much better than the more traditional epic heavy metal of the Dio era.
But i still get it why so many people dislike it
I also like Born Again, and I think that Gillan sounds great on it. However after disbanding Gillan apparently due to voice problems (and financial problems again!!), he records BA with BS and goes around the world screaming and screeching and messes his voice up further. He also made a real idiot of himself during interviews during the tour, hopelessly drunk most of the time. Not a good look.
Easy to understand why the rest of Gillan felt so let down.
Yes, it's just another guideline on "How to mess up your once best voice in rock'n'roll". Listening to some live recordings of past 5 or 6 years i feel that it was never late to start taking care of his vocal chords, it will never be the same as it was in the 70's but i always get the feeling that his better performances would be much more frequent if he took some extra care with his voice.
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Sadly, IG messed his voice up with fags and booze to the extreme during the Gillan days, and is such an arrogant man he refused to listen to experts.
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