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From what I know, the royalties from pre-reunion DP albums are/were mostly steamed to Edwards and Coletta. They had been ripping off the band for years and eventual lawsuit followed.

And yes, according to multiple sources, the Gillan band was bleeding money because of poor management, despite the relentless touring. Ian eventually pulled the plug as he couldn't keep investing his own money into the band. The fact the he'd just married and had a small baby didn't help either. Knowing the reunion was at least a year off, he decided he wanted the money the BS camp had offered.




how would he know there was definitely going to be a reunion at that time???



I seems like the rest of the DP family were doing OK. I think that IG had other issues. I don't think that the other members of 'Gillan' were happy with IG, from what I've read and heard. There were certainly other problems causing IG's financial woes.
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He didn't, but he did knew it was at least a year away due other members' commitments with their respective bands and (probably) legal issues involving the DP name.
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Funny how threads keep flowing away and back to the topic :-) ...

A bit closer to the original "What should they play as Gillan doesn't cut it any more":
I was at the Stuttgart show last week and I WAS COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY!
I've seen Purple some 30 times now over the years. In the last years I had often missed the fire inside the band; especially Ian Gillan had more or less given up his role as the frontman.
But man, this has changed with the Long Goodbye Tour!
The band really was a tight unit again, enjoying themselves, with lots of energy and emotion in the songs. And - Big Ian was the frontman again!

They started with a 4-song-block: Time for Bedlam - Fireball (fantastic!) - Bloodsucker - SKoW. With that block alone they had already completely won the audience!
Hearing and seeing Little Ian drumming his way through Fireball proofed how ridiculous, utter nonsense the claim that he was just a lazy plodder is.
The interplay between Big Ian and Steve within SKoW was changed cleverly - instead of the "voice follows guitar" (which of course couldn't be as it was back then) it was Gillan scatting a hilarious story about a woman form space to Steve who was - as the crowd - laughing all the way through it. So this made this song still something special while at the same time eliminating parts which obviously can't work any more.

As on (probably most of) the other shows as well), they played four tunes from Infinite (Time for Bedlam, Birds of Prey, The Surprising, Johnny's Band) and two from NW (Hell to Pay, Uncommon Man). The new songs were received well.
From Mk IIb they just played a (wonderful) Perfect Strangers, the rest was Hush plus outtakes from MiJ (minus Highway Star! and The Mule and of course CiT).

Stage setup and lightshow were tasteful and effective in supporting the mood of the songs. The best I have seen in a long time.

This was really a great show from a steaming band with a witty frontman. And funny side effect when the stage screen showed pictures of the audience: in the first few rows there were really mostly under-thirties! This had changed to the between-fities-and-sixties in line 10 where I was standing approximately but hey! - I really had to think of Gillan's and Airey's remark about the young audiences. In Stuttgart this held true for the first rows at least :-).

So for all the ones who haven't gone to see the band as they thought they were just boring copies of a past long gone by - join them on this tour! That's really not just a "Touring Band" - that's a Great Band!
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Funny how threads keep flowing away and back to the topic :-) ...

A bit closer to the original "What should they play as Gillan doesn't cut it any more":
I was at the Stuttgart show last week and I WAS COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY!
I've seen Purple some 30 times now over the years. In the last years I had often missed the fire inside the band; especially Ian Gillan had more or less given up his role as the frontman.
But man, this has changed with the Long Goodbye Tour!
The band really was a tight unit again, enjoying themselves, with lots of energy and emotion in the songs. And - Big Ian was the frontman again!

They started with a 4-song-block: Time for Bedlam - Fireball (fantastic!) - Bloodsucker - SKoW. With that block alone they had already completely won the audience!
Hearing and seeing Little Ian drumming his way through Fireball proofed how ridiculous, utter nonsense the claim that he was just a lazy plodder is.
The interplay between Big Ian and Steve within SKoW was changed cleverly - instead of the "voice follows guitar" (which of course couldn't be as it was back then) it was Gillan scatting a hilarious story about a woman form space to Steve who was - as the crowd - laughing all the way through it. So this made this song still something special while at the same time eliminating parts which obviously can't work any more.

As on (probably most of) the other shows as well), they played four tunes from Infinite (Time for Bedlam, Birds of Prey, The Surprising, Johnny's Band) and two from NW (Hell to Pay, Uncommon Man). The new songs were received well.
From Mk IIb they just played a (wonderful) Perfect Strangers, the rest was Hush plus outtakes from MiJ (minus Highway Star! and The Mule and of course CiT).

Stage setup and lightshow were tasteful and effective in supporting the mood of the songs. The best I have seen in a long time.

This was really a great show from a steaming band with a witty frontman. And funny side effect when the stage screen showed pictures of the audience: in the first few rows there were really mostly under-thirties! This had changed to the between-fities-and-sixties in line 10 where I was standing approximately but hey! - I really had to think of Gillan's and Airey's remark about the young audiences. In Stuttgart this held true for the first rows at least :-).

So for all the ones who haven't gone to see the band as they thought they were just boring copies of a past long gone by - join them on this tour! That's really not just a "Touring Band" - that's a Great Band!




Im glad you enjoyed the show BlueWhite77 emoticon
 the only thing is you didn't say Ian SANG WELL???And from the clips I've seen of Stuttgart there is good reason why you didn't.
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Sorry Litb0 that I didn't mention each member 's musical performance :-). So let me do this now :
Steve played much more in the service of the respective song. Hardly any widdling or extreme distortion. Instead some tasteful solos.
Similar with Don. By far not as dominant as in the last years' shows where he was more or less carrying the show but still impressive with a very nice solo block.
Roger managed the trick to play a bass solo which was not boring - hardly seen something like that before :-).
Paicey's impressive play I mentioned.
And Gillan sang well within his today 's abilities - e.g.avoiding the high notes in SKoW' s duel with the guitar or the high screems in Bloodsucking.
But I'm sure this can be judged much better sitting in front of the TV at home, watching YouTube via a Sonos system (as long as a Sub is involved, a Soundbar alone can't be accepted!) ;-)
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Sorry Litb0 that I didn't mention each member 's musical performance :-). So let me do this now :
Steve played much more in the service of the respective song. Hardly any widdling or extreme distortion. Instead some tasteful solos.
Similar with Don. By far not as dominant as in the last years' shows where he was more or less carrying the show but still impressive with a very nice solo block.
Roger managed the trick to play a bass solo which was not boring - hardly seen something like that before :-).
Paicey's impressive play I mentioned.
And Gillan sang well within his today 's abilities - e.g.avoiding the high notes in SKoW' s duel with the guitar or the high screems in Bloodsucking.
But I'm sure this can be judged much better sitting in front of the TV at home, watching YouTube via a Sonos system (as long as a Sub is involved, a Soundbar alone can't be accepted!) ;-)




well to be honest in my experience of attending shows the youtube videos from those shows tend to sound a bit better/clearer than the reality at times depending on where one was sitting/standing at a gig .From the clips I've heard then Gillan sounds like he has for a while now i.e. flat and with no power left.
BTW the reason i asked was that you are the one who praised Gillans performance as a frontman but failed to mention the most important part i.e. how he actually sang!! emoticon
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I would like to know how you can review "power" of singer.... I mean - what that "power" is? How "loud" he sings? Then - it´s matter of how high / low he is mixed among instruments (so it actually matters on sound engineer more than on singer and their cooperation during the show) - and it matters A LOT on place where you are (in front of guitar player or bassplayer amps singer is almost non-existant in mix emoticon )... How easy or how difficult it seems to sing that stuff for singer? Then IG sings most of the stuff fairly easily - even Perfect Strangers (which is the song where most of singers of tribute bands and also RR miserably failed last year) sounds very fine. And maybe - the key question is how IG´s voice actually SHOULD sound according to you! emoticon And I´ll admit, that IMO for example IG sounds in Perfect Strangers better now than he did in Come Hell Or High Water (he is unbearable there actually.... completely shot raspy voice) and even Strangers Live from Sydney and big reason for that was changing the key of song in 2011. The issue with Romero isnt range - so putting the song lower wouldnt help, it´s overall character of voice completely unfitting to that song.
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If a video posted on YT has been recorded in HD it is usually good enough to give an idea of the performance. If the video is then played on a quality Smart TV through a decent amp/sub woofer/speaker combination then obviously this will give the listener an even more realistic idea of the actual live performance.

As some who spends many thousands of pounds on amps and speakers the people who say that you can't judge a performance on YT are completely wrong. If you listen to YT on your mobile phone obviously the quality will be poor, but to dismiss YT entirely is wrong. Through the correct system it can sound really good.
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I would like to know how you can review "power" of singer.... I mean - what that "power" is? How "loud" he sings? Then - it´s matter of how high / low he is mixed among instruments (so it actually matters on sound engineer more than on singer and their cooperation during the show) - and it matters A LOT on place where you are (in front of guitar player or bassplayer amps singer is almost non-existant in mix emoticon )... How easy or how difficult it seems to sing that stuff for singer? Then IG sings most of the stuff fairly easily - even Perfect Strangers (which is the song where most of singers of tribute bands and also RR miserably failed last year) sounds very fine. And maybe - the key question is how IG´s voice actually SHOULD sound according to you! emoticon And I´ll admit, that IMO for example IG sounds in Perfect Strangers better now than he did in Come Hell Or High Water (he is unbearable there actually.... completely shot raspy voice) and even Strangers Live from Sydney and big reason for that was changing the key of song in 2011. The issue with Romero isnt range - so putting the song lower wouldnt help, it´s overall character of voice completely unfitting to that song.



Of course it is possible to judge the power of a voice. Elvis for example had an effortlessly powerful voice which enabled him to sing many different genres without resorting to shouting. When IG sings these days he is mostly in tune but loses the key of the song because he has no power in his voice so then attempts to shout/scream. He then gets out of breath which also weakens his voice as he is taking his breaths in the wrong place.
MK Morse songs are not as demanding to sing as they were written and recorded with his current voice in mind, and invariably sound the better of the songs when played live.
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In my opinion - Perfect Strangers from Sydney is perfect example of what do you say. Here IG´s voice cracks few times and gets out of tune slightly because he simply pushes to hard..... but actually he doesnt do that anymore - he has full control about singing that song (I know it´s in lower key) and has full control about dynamic of the song. BTW as interesting thing I have to add that with Purple he doesnt use that added pre-recorded melodic vocal effect used on last year solo tour.

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