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Wring that neck and Mandrake Root are still the live songs I love most. But does anybody believe that concerts of that type would still work today?




it would certainly work for me and i would imagine most fans around my age ?? That kind of stand out virtuosity will never fade IMHO.wouldn't it work for you Friedhelm??



That they still are the live songs I love most implies that it would work for me, doesn't it?



YOU asked the bloody question mate !!!! Which would imply that YOU didn't think it would work today???Yes? No? emoticon
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So, they only had two? The other records disappeared? MIJ had four from MH, two from Fireball and one from IR. Strangely enough, the encores were all IR with 'Lucille' thrown in here and there. 'Strange Kind Of Woman' was and still is a staple of the live show. They played a few tunes from 'Fireball' before MH came out, including the title track.

They had plenty of good tunes that Gillan could do quite well from MKI. He did a great job on 'Bird Has Flown', which for some reason has vanished from Youtube. There were other real good tunes that they could have done where IG would have shined, as I think that he could have done the Evan's stuff justice.

Either way, they had plenty to draw from had they wished to do so. That period of time was meant for long, drawn-out tunes and the ones that they picked fit the bill perfectly.




just ptr changing DP history like his hero Mr Gallons has been trying to do for a long time now.We shouldnt be surprised JSA1 emoticon
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Ok, one more explanaition.

In Rock and Machine Head were albums which made a basics of Deep Purple show till 73. From Fireball (album), regular number was only The Mule. SKOW is single from Fireball era. When IG/RG arrived, they stopped to do Mk1 songs as soon as they had enough of material to make full show from their own Mk2 stuff. In 73 when they released four albums together (In Rock, Fireball, Machine Head, Who Do We Think We Are) they actually still had two records which was the main source for live songs - IR and MH. It´s well-known fact that Ritchie wasnt fan of Fireball (therefore they didnt do songs from that album regularly) and they sadly never played much stuff from WDWTWA - and as far as I know, Roger said that WDWTWA was the album which was recorded in sense (or intention) that most of stuff will probably never see the live takes (which was somewhat opposite attitude with Machine Head which was intended as source of new songs for live show) - BTW it´s true till today - we have heard nearly complete In Rock, we have heard complete Machine Head, but we never heard even half of WDWTWA live (only three songs were ever done live - Mary Long /which is the only one which got to the stage in 73 AFAIK/, Woman From Tokyo and Rat Bat Blue). the main point, with 10 or 12 records you have to do more shorter songs, than with 3 or 4 studio records is obvious. It really doesnt matter, the main source for DP setlist in 73 still were In Rock and Machine Head and Fireball and WDWTWA was nearly ignored.

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Ok, one more explanaition.

In Rock and Machine Head were albums which made a basics of Deep Purple show till 73????? actually its till TODAY!!!! even though the creative geniuses behind them are no longer there and have been replaced by substitutes who despite your claims of having made some of the finest DP albums of all time have decided to play very little of their own masterpieces ??? live .



there fixed it for you emoticon

BTW do you really think you have to give long term(i.e. much longer term than you!!) DP fans a history lesson on what was and was not played live?? emoticon
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I do stand behind what I said, namely that the setlist in 1970-1972 was much easier to put together than it is recently.
Right now, they have to play some songs from the current lineup (and we often complain they don't play more of that), plus they need to include some reunion stuff and/or some deeper cuts to keep it interesting, plus all the old stuff.
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That's excatly the point. Plus: nearly none of the young people today want to hear 30 minutes of improvisation. That's a seventies thing which is long over. We old farts grew up with it, so some of us still like it.

And by the way: Lord, Blackmore, Evans and Simper! Accept no substitutes!
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when IG/RG arrived, they played Mandrake Root and Mk1 stuff only because they didnt have enough of their own stuff - as soon as they had enough of their own stuff (Mk2 stuff) they completely dropped Mark1 material.


1) It took them more than two years (until the end of 1971) to get the Mk I songs out of their set. They could have done more stuff from In Rock (and perhaps Fireball), but they decided to keep the Mk I stuff, and they certainly had their reasons for doing so.

2) The instrumental section of Mandrake Root was glued to Space Truckin' in early 1972 and maintained even in the 1980's. So there was some Mk I stuff being kept in the set for very long.

And after Ritchie left, they even did Hush - which is a Mk I track if you count it as a DP track (didn't they play than even at the HOF show?) - and a bonsai version of Wring That Neck ...

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'Strange Kind Of Woman' was a single in Europe, but it was on the album in the U.S. 'Demon's Eye' was a b-side single in the States.

I have always wondered about Blackers apathy towards 'Fireball'. The tunes were real good and Ritchie was excellent, Maybe it seemed too progressive for him, but it is my favorite MKII album. Either way, they did play a number of tunes from it until MH. Even then, they still played SKOW, The Mule and even Fireball.

Another thing to remember, they were big in the States virtually though the end with Bolin. They got rid of all the stuff from MKIIa except for a couple of tunes from MH during MKIII and into MKIV. Strange, I think, since they had all those albums to choose from. Kind of goes against the argument of not having much to to pick from.
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JSA1 - fully agree on Fireball, I think it's still extremely good and has a vibe of its own.
On the MKII songs (not) surviving the lineup changes: I think it has more than anything to do with egos. When Gillan and Glover left, I guess the other wanted to prove a point - that the band was not really needing the MKII phase and could stand on its own. Similarly, when they came back, IG vetoed the MKIII stuff as he felt that was just some 'illegitimate' interlude. It was not that the songs were not up to it in either case, it was more about not hurting anyone's feelings and, in the process...simplifying putting the setlist together.:-) But we're talking about 1974 and then 1984, when there was already more material. The situation was vastly differen just one or two years prior, given they published an album every year back then.

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That's excatly the point. Plus: nearly none of the young people today want to hear 30 minutes of improvisation. That's a seventies thing which is long over. We old farts grew up with it, so some of us still like it.

And by the way: Lord, Blackmore, Evans and Simper! Accept no substitutes!




Are there really that many young people interested in seeing DP anyway???certainly not in the UK thats for sure where the crowd is generally middle aged and the only youngsters are kids brought by parents,and looking at shots of the crowd from other areas of mainland Europe then it seems the same is true for those countries as well?Tell me you don't believe the average age of 18 crap that Gillan spouts??


Does that mean you would accept a substitute for Paicey then Friedhelm?? emoticon
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