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As ever .. accounts 30 to 40 years later have fuzzy appearance due to perception and time. I have no reason to doubt Bernie's account, although some of the details may be a bit fuzzy. I don't think anyone disputes that there were elements of the band that weren't taking things seriously. Due to low payments or whatever else.

Micky Moody's detachment and subsequent re-entry is still odd to me considering by all accounts he was checked out in 1982
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I recall DC saying he’d ‘regained the hunger he’d lost.’...lol.
Yeah, Moody alongside Bernie worked well, but as the principal guitarist i’d say he wasn’t rocky enough. He left anyhow, severely annoyed by DC making comments about him in front of Sykes.

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I've just got to the bit in the book where Mel/Bernie were doing MGM and Mel was worried to go on stage. Enjoying the book and there are some nice stories. I always thought Bernie was one of the decent/ good guys with the way he handles himself & a warmth comes over at times from the content.

A bit of me can't help thinking it could/should have been more than it is.I guess Bernie felt he would see no benefit in digging up certain aspects of the past. He is also looking back (as we all do with the past) with current day thinking. The criticism of Colleta sounds fair but is also 'an easy & safe target'; I mean he couldn't have thought he was that bad back then if Bernie signed with him on the same day he was told he was out of WS. Also the luvvie who was one of Tony Ashton's mates sounds a prize idiot!!

I think I need to read the classic bit again. I can't help but think I must have missed something. For someone best mates with Cozy who was in the next incarnation and who worked with Micky many years after the classic period, there is little real insight or thinking into the break up from Bernie / why Bernie was given the boot. Of course with the illness of DC's daughter and the issues with recording, there is a wider back-story but why Bernie?, why was Colleta holding a meeting when DC wanted to get rid of him, which Micky didn't turn up to and so on...

I guess the bigger picture was DC thought Micky and Jon were more important to keep on, which time shows wasn't the case. Quite apt that the last song DC and Bernie wrote together (HIGA) was one Micky didn't want to get involved in.



Marsden signed a contract but was sacked the same day?



Page 194. Bernie says Coletta took him to one side after the sacking meeting (which DC and Micky didn't attend) and said Coletta had lined up a solo deal with EMI which he had to sign that day. On the same page he says (re Whitesnake) 'Was I fired or did we disband? Well you tell me'

On page 205 and page 206 Bernie outlines (quite briefly as it sounds something that would have got me really angry!) that he finally got his day in court with Coletta as he got the copyright back for all the songs he wrote for a penny. Which allowed him to finally receive publishing royalties.

Never a dull day with Whitesnake!

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getting the royalties back was pretty significant considering the Here I go again re release 1987....
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Remember that story DC told about John Coletta brow beating him into taking a really bad management contract (I think 10 years was the duration). It seems like Coletta was the source of many of the complaints from former Deep Purple members at the time ...

Wonder if Whitesnake had better managment from 1978-82 what things would have looked like. I would wager they would have more actual success in England/Europe but the States would have still been more elusive due to the style of music in the 1980's.
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Wonder if Whitesnake had better managment from 1978-82 what things would have looked like. I would wager they would have more actual success in England/Europe but the States would have still been more elusive due to the style of music in the 1980's.



Whitesnake weren't really managed by Coletta, which was the issue. They one of the most successful live acts in the UK, Europe and Japan at that time because of the NWOBHM effect and the fact that the band contained 3 DP members. Of course, they were also bloody great live which helped.

The deal he did with Mirage in the US in 1980 was terrible for the band but at least it gave us that bad live video in the Box of Snakes.

Coletta kept all the master tapes, all the video masters, everything. They were possibly lost or destroyed in a fire but no one seems certain. What happened to them since he died is anyone's guess but I'm sure David wishes he had them.

The band was badly managed at that time. David was international star material and Coletta had no idea how to capitalise on that. They needed to go out with different bands to Jethro Tull to make their mark.

I think they had potential to make inroads. If you read the reviews of them supporting Tull they were shaking up the crowds and Ready an Willing did actually chart in America at that time (number 90).

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I'm not convinced the 'classic' line up would ever have truly cracked America. My rationale for saying this is because more than any other era, the 80's in the States was all about MTV and image. Looking the part became as important as playing ability- as evidenced by the line up DC assembled come 1987. Could you imagine the line up with Bernie, Micky, Jon etc in the 1987 videos? It just wouldn't have worked- unfortunately.
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I'm not convinced the 'classic' line up would ever have truly cracked America. My rationale for saying this is because more than any other era, the 80's in the States was all about MTV and image. Looking the part became as important as playing ability- as evidenced by the line up DC assembled come 1987. Could you imagine the line up with Bernie, Micky, Jon etc in the 1987 videos? It just wouldn't have worked- unfortunately.



You're probably righ. But, what if they didn't have to start from the zero point in 1987 (in States)? What if they were promoted well in early 1980? Than maybe the image would have been something addiotional, not so neccessary. I'm sure they wouldn't have to look like ,,christmas tree'' (David's words) and would have done something with e.g Bernie, Mel, Neil (MGM), Cozy and some proper keyboardist (if not Jon than Don or someone else). To imagine Collin and Micky: yes, that's really dificult.
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Did anyone here get a personal delivery?!
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Did anyone here get a personal delivery?!
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Great stuff.

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