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Did Ritchie make a mistake...


I have seen the video of Black Night from the forthcoming Rainbow release and I have to say that to my ears (and eyes) it is a pretty poor performance indeed, from Ritchie's playing through to the bands [sign in to see URL] that singer who might well sing like Dio but has no actual charisma.

I really think that Ritchie needed players who would push him, get the best out of him and I really think the combination of Coverdale and Hughes might well have done that. The band he [sign in to see URL] find it difficult to comprehend why? Money I guess.

Now, many Purple fans knock Coverdale for his current abilities and sometimes they have a [sign in to see URL] not always.

Check out this well filmed performance from [url=[sign in to see URL] It's not perfect but it is live rock n roll played with fire and passion it has to be said. Coverdale sounds great and yet is far from perfect. Burn kicks in at 6-39 and sounds brilliantly muscular. Not bad for the end of a tour and for a 65 year old.

Maybe Coverdale had a good escape in the end.

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You're right. And even David's current vocal abillities are not bad at all if you don't compare them with the abillities from 30 years ago.
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Have to say burn is not bad. Begs the question why he didn't do that at the rambling man fair?
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Absolutely. Would have been a crowd pleaser.
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Have to say burn is not bad. Begs the question why he didn't do that at the rambling man fair?



Well considering the band is tuned down to D, it's hardly going to be pushing him much. That was original played in standard tuning and in G, it's effectively being played now in F, so a whole step down. Probably why it sounds much less crisp than it should and why the vocal sounds passable. Unfortunately few of the Blackmore era songs sound right in anything other than the standard tuning and key they were written in. Blackmore chose G because it's bright and playing Burn needs the open chords etc. So tuning down to play it makes it sound more like a weak version of Black Sabbath. I suspect Coverdale, just like Gillan, should've retired years ago.

I thought the general consensus was that Coverdale mimed more often than not these days?
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Not miming but the band is singing for him.
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Have to say burn is not bad. Begs the question why he didn't do that at the rambling man fair?



Well considering the band is tuned down to D, it's hardly going to be pushing him much. That was original played in standard tuning and in G, it's effectively being played now in F, so a whole step down. Probably why it sounds much less crisp than it should and why the vocal sounds passable. Unfortunately few of the Blackmore era songs sound right in anything other than the standard tuning and key they were written in. Blackmore chose G because it's bright and playing Burn needs the open chords etc. So tuning down to play it makes it sound more like a weak version of Black Sabbath. I suspect Coverdale, just like Gillan, should've retired years ago.

I thought the general consensus was that Coverdale mimed more often than not these days?



Definitely not miming but the band are partly chosen for their vocal abilities as well and of course he gets the audience to do a lot. DC's biggest issue is the desire to sound and deliver music in the 1987 style rather than a style that fits his current ability. Having said that he does OK most of the time. The tuning down doesn't overly bother [sign in to see URL] would rather DC gets to the end of a tour reasonably intact rather than desperately struggling to hit notes written for a 20 year old to sing.

My main point is about "attack and attitude" in the live environment. Somehow Coverdale still makes a live Whitesnake show exciting, something Purple struggle to do and from what I've seen and heard so does the modern Rainbow (even with a young singer who can deliver in the original key). When Coverdale sings Burn it is technically karaoke but it doesn't seem [sign in to see URL] these Rainbow recordings.

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quote:

BagShotBullets wrote:

quote:

mcpurplemk2 wrote:

Have to say burn is not bad. Begs the question why he didn't do that at the rambling man fair?



Well considering the band is tuned down to D, it's hardly going to be pushing him much. That was original played in standard tuning and in G, it's effectively being played now in F, so a whole step down. Probably why it sounds much less crisp than it should and why the vocal sounds passable. Unfortunately few of the Blackmore era songs sound right in anything other than the standard tuning and key they were written in. Blackmore chose G because it's bright and playing Burn needs the open chords etc. So tuning down to play it makes it sound more like a weak version of Black Sabbath. I suspect Coverdale, just like Gillan, should've retired years ago.

I thought the general consensus was that Coverdale mimed more often than not these days?



Definitely not miming but the band are partly chosen for their vocal abilities as well and of course he gets the audience to do a lot. DC's biggest issue is the desire to sound and deliver music in the 1987 style rather than a style that fits his current ability. Having said that he does OK most of the time. The tuning down doesn't overly bother [sign in to see URL] would rather DC gets to the end of a tour reasonably intact rather than desperately struggling to hit notes written for a 20 year old to sing.

My main point is about "attack and attitude" in the live environment. Somehow Coverdale still makes a live Whitesnake show exciting, something Purple struggle to do and from what I've seen and heard so does the modern Rainbow (even with a young singer who can deliver in the original key). When Coverdale sings Burn it is technically karaoke but it doesn't seem [sign in to see URL] these Rainbow recordings.



I think this is mostely correct. I just wonder if he's doing it this way beacouse it is easier vocally.
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Have to say burn is not bad. Begs the question why he didn't do that at the rambling man fair?



Well considering the band is tuned down to D, it's hardly going to be pushing him much. That was original played in standard tuning and in G, it's effectively being played now in F, so a whole step down. Probably why it sounds much less crisp than it should and why the vocal sounds passable. Unfortunately few of the Blackmore era songs sound right in anything other than the standard tuning and key they were written in. Blackmore chose G because it's bright and playing Burn needs the open chords etc. So tuning down to play it makes it sound more like a weak version of Black Sabbath. I suspect Coverdale, just like Gillan, should've retired years ago.

I thought the general consensus was that Coverdale mimed more often than not these days?



Nah, sounds too rough to be miming BSB! Agree WS sound awful detuned, a horrible sludgy mess, understand the reasons but as others have said the game was over years ago. Why he doesn’t revisit the more bluesy snake I’ll never know, well i do know, but he can’t need the money at this point surely?

Re Burn riff, in G, how does Burn need open chords btw?
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No, Ritchie didn't make a mistake, because DC sings like... I don't even wanna say it, sorry. His voice is gone.
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