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LITB - talking about Ozzy, if we refer to his ability to deliver those particular songs, then he is perfect. But his range, control, technique and tone didn't allow one to make a lot more or something really different than what he did. He was more limited than Gillan, Plant, Dio, Coverdale, Hughes, etc.




yeah thats fair comment [sign in to see URL] was certainly the most limited vocally from the 3 bands ,but the undoubtedly far superior" singers" Gillan and RJD couldn't do justice to Ozzys material as he was [sign in to see URL] you say Ozzys vocals were perfect for Sabbaths material.
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LITB - talking about Ozzy, if we refer to his ability to deliver those particular songs, then he is perfect. But his range, control, technique and tone didn't allow one to make a lot more or something really different than what he did. He was more limited than Gillan, Plant, Dio, Coverdale, Hughes, etc.




yeah thats fair comment [sign in to see URL] was certainly the most limited vocally from the 3 bands ,but the undoubtedly far superior" singers" Gillan and RJD couldn't do justice to Ozzys material as he was [sign in to see URL] you say Ozzys vocals were perfect for Sabbaths material.



Actually - I think that Gillan´s performances of War Pigs or Black Sabbath are the best ones... especially in case of Black Sabbath IG added unique epic terrifying atmosphere. Ozzy has unique tone of voice but he actually recites the songs... more than singing them.
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LITB - talking about Ozzy, if we refer to his ability to deliver those particular songs, then he is perfect. But his range, control, technique and tone didn't allow one to make a lot more or something really different than what he did. He was more limited than Gillan, Plant, Dio, Coverdale, Hughes, etc.




yeah thats fair comment [sign in to see URL] was certainly the most limited vocally from the 3 bands ,but the undoubtedly far superior" singers" Gillan and RJD couldn't do justice to Ozzys material as he was [sign in to see URL] you say Ozzys vocals were perfect for Sabbaths material.



Actually - I think that Gillan´s performances of War Pigs or Black Sabbath are the best ones...



well now theres a surprise !!! emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon
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A major part of Ozzy's charm is due to his stage antics I think. He's definitely very limited vocally of the three.

Best performers live? DP

Best legacy? LZ, hands down.
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Purple on 1,3,4,5,6.

I think Led Zeppelin are overrated too. Compare Jack Black's induction speech at the Kennedy Awards (treating LZ as untouchable gods) vs Lars' speech at RNRHOF. There's no doubt that LZ were a fantastic band, but some of the hyperbole surrounding them is unbelievable. I never saw them live but have seen Page/Plant and RP solo and they weren't particularly outstanding concerts.

I think #2 is difficult to answer. If we are talking about their peak periods only then I would say Purple and Sabbath's legacy is as impressive as Zeppelin's. It's only if you take into account the non-peak years of both bands that the reputation has been "tarnished". Page has been very careful about preserving LZ's legacy, whereas there has been no one in the Purple camp with a similar mindset. Of course an unchanging line-up helped LZ too.

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Purple on 1,3,4,5,6.

I think Led Zeppelin are overrated too. Compare Jack Black's induction speech at the Kennedy Awards (treating LZ as untouchable gods) vs Lars' speech at RNRHOF. There's no doubt that LZ were a fantastic band, but some of the hyperbole surrounding them is unbelievable. I never saw them live but have seen Page/Plant and RP solo and they weren't particularly outstanding concerts.

I think #2 is difficult to answer. If we are talking about their peak periods only then I would say Purple and Sabbath's legacy is as impressive as Zeppelin's. It's only if you take into account the non-peak years of both bands that the reputation has been "tarnished". Page has been very careful about preserving LZ's legacy, whereas there has been no one in the Purple camp with a similar mindset. Of course an unchanging line-up helped LZ too.




I suppose it depends what you mean by overrated? There's no doubt that the hype surrounding led zep was [sign in to see URL] did have very clever management who marketed them brilliantly,something dp never had .Jimmy Page as you say has looked after the legacy particularly well [sign in to see URL]'s no doubt though that led zep were a hugely gifted and innovative band well deserving of being ranked alongside dp and Sabbath as part of the big 3
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1. The best live band
Only seen DP and BS live, DP win that one

2. Will have the longest lasting legacy
LZ because of one song, STH

3. Released the best albums
DP

4. wrote the best songs
LZ, but I don't think their catalogue is as strong as DP

5. had the best instrumentalists
DP, Lord and Blackmore are untouchable

6. Had the best vocalist
IG
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Actually - I think that Gillan´s performances of War Pigs or Black Sabbath are the best ones... especially in case of Black Sabbath IG added unique epic terrifying atmosphere. Ozzy has unique tone of voice but he actually recites the songs... more than singing them.




Totally agree with this. The version of "Black Sabbath" on the GILLAN THE HERO boot is hands down the best version of that song for me. Gillan's vocals are just unbelievably awesome on that.

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We can only compare MKIIa and MKIII with the others in this discussion since they were the classic line-ups and Zep ceased to exist after Bonham died.

Best live would be DP. Zep was excellent, also, but just comparing DP with Zep, DP's shows were way more consistent. Zep had great shows, but there are many more average shows. 'How The West Was Won' is probably the best compilation out there. One of my favorites.

Legacy goes to Zep. Page has controlled this and has only let the best, for the most part, get released. Purple just doesn't have somebody like Page in their corner.

Purple and Zep are pretty much equal in albums. Sabbath had some good stuff, but, eh.... Master Of Reality is my favorite from them and it stands with the others. Vol. IV and Bloody are pretty good, but the rest don't compare overall.

Zep has the corner on best songs. They are more radio friendly. You hear stuff from all their albums on classic rock stations and even on some of the more 'Pop' oriented stations. Purple's songs are just as good as far as music goes, but only songs from 'Machine Head' get much airplay, discounting 'Hush' and 'KW' from MKI. You hear WFT quite often and stuff from IR and Fireball now and then, but not in the volume of the Zep tunes.

Best instrumentals go to DP. Zep had their moments, but DP's body of live releases just walks all over the others. Sabbath, good players, but nothing special live, really.

Vocalists go to DP. Gillan was the absolute best of his era. Coverdale and Plant were close, although Plant's voice faltered a bit towards the end, whereas I think Coverdale's got a bit better. Ozzy was good at what he did and I think that his voice stayed real good for almost all of his career compared to the other three.

A few points to make here. In no way is Zep overrated. Over-hyped, maybe, but not overrated. Their body of work stands for itself. Towards the end, Page's drug use and Bonham's heavy drinking took its toll physically, but they still kept things together.

As far as Gillan being at the peak of his powers in Sabbath, really? His best, vocally, was with MKIIa and some of his best work was done with 'Gillan'. When he got with Sabbath, he was supposed to be resting his pipes. He had power, but his range and tone were not there. He mostly screamed a lot during many of the tunes because his upper range was gone and that hurt his chords real bad. At the end of Sabbath, his voice was baked. I got to see them towards the end and it wasn't very good. He never recovered and that is why his voice faltered during MKIIb. I'm a big Gillan fan. He is the reason that I got into DP. His early stuff with Episode Six is really good and JCS was just superb. He just wasn't the same after Sabbath and I can do without that period just because of what happened to his voice. emoticon

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For me, Gillan never sang better than on Born again. But I agree, his voice was ruined during the time in BS. He's no bad singer since then, but no more the singer he was before. On topic: I didn't follow the careers of BS und LZ as much as I followed DP's. LZ played some really great music, but as soon as I knew that Whole lot of love was stolen, I lost a lot of respect. Although they made a great song out of it. And BS: They never got me hooked so much, that I wanted to listen to all their records.
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