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Ritchie's hardly the first to not [sign in to see URL] Pistols didn't, McCartney didn't, Axl didn't, Van Halen brothers didn'[sign in to see URL] don't know why people seem so surprised.



I wonder if Rainbow was inducted if he would show up..? Don't think so..
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Press room post ceremony interviews:

BTW kudos to Lars - wonderful!

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.....and for the sake of interest, Steve Miller havin' a go...!

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....sorry,couldn't get the Lars interview to [sign in to see URL]'ll see the link.....!

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It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn [sign in to see URL] grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO emoticon .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . emoticon It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there .



Its a disgrace RB was too pretentious not to show up and say thanks....



He has said for years he wouldn'[sign in to see URL] he briefly reconsidered Bruce Payne shut it down so if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Bruce. I would've been more surprised if Ritchie HAD shown up. Anyone thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment.




Disagree with that part about Bruce. It was ONLY Ritchie´s decision not to appear there, do not blame anyone else. Bruce has nothing to do with that. Band has full right to decide with whom and under which conditions are they going to play, but that´s completely separated issue with attending the ceremony and accept the awards.



You always chose the touring band's side. You stated not to be BP so how do you know what his role was in this? You seem to forget that there was a statement by Gillan about it all that was changed some time later. To make Blackmore look like the bad guy.
I don't care who's right or is wrong.
I understand Gillan doesn't want to play with Blackmore and that Blackmore doesn't want to be there just to collect the award.
What I blame the current line-up that Coverdale and Hughes where also sidelined. Where could they join in?
Gillan stated he wasn't going to attend the ceremony, but changed his mind and showed up and acted if HE was Deep Purple
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It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn [sign in to see URL] grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO emoticon .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . emoticon It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there .



Its a disgrace RB was too pretentious not to show up and say thanks....



He has said for years he wouldn'[sign in to see URL] he briefly reconsidered Bruce Payne shut it down so if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Bruce. I would've been more surprised if Ritchie HAD shown up. Anyone thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment.




Disagree with that part about Bruce. It was ONLY Ritchie´s decision not to appear there, do not blame anyone else. Bruce has nothing to do with that. Band has full right to decide with whom and under which conditions are they going to play, but that´s completely separated issue with attending the ceremony and accept the awards.





I don't blame PAIN either it's the selfish bitter Gillan Glover and Paice who obviously asked PAIN to Instruct Blackers management that he wasn't welcome to [sign in to see URL] bitter assholes wouldn't have been there themselves if not for Blackmores genius ,drive and vision . DC and Glenn had the humility to admit that and even SM paid tribute by playing SOTW note for note to the original . I'm disgusted by the remaining members of MK2s attitude they need to take a long look in the mirror
One things for sure this would not have happened had Jon still been with us



You forgot to consider main important factor. Deep Purple break-up in 76 was due to GH´s and TB´s drug abuse, in 1975 Ritchie left the band in relatively "good" terms. Therefore - DC and GH has much less bad memories about Ritchie than Mk2 members who were there during 1987 - 93 period. Plus 1993 is much fresher period than 1975. Ritchie´s character have been shown by that manipulative untruth statement released before RRHOF performance - would you even consider to perform with someone like that after this situation?! GH/DC are not members of Deep Purple, they were not affected by this disgusting crap statement.... For any argument you need at least TWO sides.



You seem to be a little misinformed or are just trying to rewrite history.
The way Blackmore left Mark III wasn't in good terms.
Blackmore and Coverdale were even in a physical fight, years after the split.

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It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn [sign in to see URL] grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO emoticon .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . emoticon It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there .



Sorry man, but I´m starting to think you are Ritchie ONLY fan.... not Deep Purple fan. emoticon

"There is an enormous amount of people we should thank, and I'm not going to go through their names. I can't remember them. My friends in Deep Purple – Ian Paice, Ian Gillan, Jon Lord, Ritchie Blackmore – changed my life forever. And I'm deeply indebted to them, as I am to all you people for making this possible."
Really - what a grudged mention of RB! emoticon

About DP speeches - IG/RG/IP´s speeches are fine (but for my taste - a bit too diplomatic to be honest, I hoped for some sort of well-deserved critic towards whole RRHOF circus), Coverdale´s is fine until he speaks about current Whitesnake members (sorry, it has nothing to do with Purple induction!) and about lawyers, managers etc.... On other side, it´s completely fine to thank to family members! Also - I found it really strange how GH started his speech "Hi, I´m Glenn Hughes...." - what a weird start, but what can you expect from guy who talks about himself in 3rd person regularly? emoticon This GH´s sentence sounds a bit strange too "I want to thank Roger Glover, for getting me in the Hall of Fame. I replaced him, and I joined the band as a lead singer/bass player." But it´s probably cultural difference between European based and US based people. emoticon



The most important man was absent, but that was his own decision.
It was nice to see them together on one stage, but it looked like 2 different parties.
The speeches were nice, nothing more. Gillan's speech was disappointing after all his criticism towards the HOF. Now he had the chance to criticize why certain members weren't inducted. He could have stand up for Morse and Airey, the reason why he didn't want to attend.
Now it didn't seem an issue anymore.

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lightintheblack0 wrote:

It's still a bloody disgrace that Ritchie was not made to feel welcome enough to turn [sign in to see URL] grudged mentions of him by Gillan and Glover barely mask the contempt they clearly still have towards him ,bitter old selfish bastards IMHO emoticon .great to hear DC and Glenn pay proper tribute and honour him properly . emoticon It's all very hollow without Ritchie being there .



Its a disgrace RB was too pretentious not to show up and say thanks....



He has said for years he wouldn'[sign in to see URL] he briefly reconsidered Bruce Payne shut it down so if you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at Bruce. I would've been more surprised if Ritchie HAD shown up. Anyone thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment.




Disagree with that part about Bruce. It was ONLY Ritchie´s decision not to appear there, do not blame anyone else. Bruce has nothing to do with that. Band has full right to decide with whom and under which conditions are they going to play, but that´s completely separated issue with attending the ceremony and accept the awards.





I don't blame PAIN either it's the selfish bitter Gillan Glover and Paice who obviously asked PAIN to Instruct Blackers management that he wasn't welcome to [sign in to see URL] bitter assholes wouldn't have been there themselves if not for Blackmores genius ,drive and vision . DC and Glenn had the humility to admit that and even SM paid tribute by playing SOTW note for note to the original . I'm disgusted by the remaining members of MK2s attitude they need to take a long look in the mirror
One things for sure this would not have happened had Jon still been with us



You forgot to consider main important factor. Deep Purple break-up in 76 was due to GH´s and TB´s drug abuse, in 1975 Ritchie left the band in relatively "good" terms. Therefore - DC and GH has much less bad memories about Ritchie than Mk2 members who were there during 1987 - 93 period. Plus 1993 is much fresher period than 1975. Ritchie´s character have been shown by that manipulative untruth statement released before RRHOF performance - would you even consider to perform with someone like that after this situation?! GH/DC are not members of Deep Purple, they were not affected by this disgusting crap statement.... For any argument you need at least TWO sides.



You seem to be a little misinformed or are just trying to rewrite history.
The way Blackmore left Mark III wasn't in good terms.
Blackmore and Coverdale were even in a physical fight, years after the split.




I know about their fight... I wrote relatively "good" meaning, that situation in 80s/90s was even worse compared to mid 70s. Of course there were issues between David and Ritchie, but it was relatively short term compared to long rotting scenario between 87/88 and 93... and it wasnt just about IG/RB, it was actually RB vs. rest of band!
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Ritchie's hardly the first to not [sign in to see URL] Pistols didn't, McCartney didn't, Axl didn't, Van Halen brothers didn'[sign in to see URL] don't know why people seem so surprised.



I wonder if Rainbow was inducted if he would show up..? Don't think so..



Well Rainbow is a completely different situation. In the event they were inducted, there'd be a better chance of him turning up for that considering he just resurrected the name.

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ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.

Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn.

He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album

He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show .

The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn.

In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time.

Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely.

As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager.

Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with.

In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old [sign in to see URL] and Glenn come out as gents .
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ptr you are wrong in so many ways your blind support of Gillan does you no credit whatsoever.

Ritchie left DP in 75 because he didn't like the direction they were taking ie the "Shoeshine music" of DC and Glenn.

He was much more excited about working with RJD and kept much of his ideas from Purple for what would become the first Rainbow album

He didn't communicate with either DC or Glenn for almost 40 years and as was pointed out actually came to blows with DC backstage at a Rainbow show .

The illness and sadly then death of Jon affected Ritchie too and when DC made contact he made up with both DC and Glenn.

In 93 he left DP because the rest of the band insisted on keeping Gillan even though he was singing absolutely awfully .You have admitted yourself Gillan was horrendous at that time.

Now Gillan said recently that he had no problem with Ritchie anymore but his actions say something else completely.

As for stating that the mk2 members didn't want to play with him after his statement about Payne not allowing him to play/attend, then that is pure fabrication as they had clearly already made up their minds not to play with him and asked Bruce to put out the statement to his manager.

Interesting that you state that things were so bad during Ritchies last term with the band yet Jon remained Ritchies friend till his death and indeed expressed his desire to work with him and named him as the musician he most admired and liked to work with.

In summary Gillan,Glover and Paice come out of this as selfish ungrateful bitter old [sign in to see URL] and Glenn come out as gents .



Sorry, cannot agree with you.

1.) The reasons why Ritchie left in 93 and why he left in 1975 were actually pretty similar - he started to lose his "leading role" in band. In 1975 because GH/DC´s direction started to be too strong for him... in 93 because ALL other band members (it´s not only about Gillan really!) denied his direction he pushed the band in late 80s and with Slaves&Masters... and they actually wanted IG not only as a singer, but mainly as strong character who is going to change band´s direction from the direction which was pushed by Ritchie... and he simply didnt like it - so he left.

2.) I´m NOT saying that Ritchie´s purely and disgustingly incorrect statement was reason for band "not to perform with them" - that statement is just confirmation that their position was RIGHT! And as I told you - it wasnt GH or DC who were affected by this manipulative statement - it was current band! Ritchie had full right to offer "hey guys, let´s play together at RRHOF" and band had full right (without ANY doubt!) to say "no, we dont wanna do that". How this was used to make fake victim from Ritchie - it´s really disgusting. He is able to damage the band he co-created in 60s and left in 90s even 22 years after he left!

3.) EDIT - looking for that particular interview - maybe I misinterpreted Ritchie´s words due to incorrect context. - sorry for that.

BTW - strange - Glenn as gent? He didnt mention Ritchie in his speech by even a word! emoticon DC used nearly the same phrase as Roger Glover when he mentioned RB, but he is gent and RG is "ungrateful bitter old man". Again - double standards, but why I´m not suprised anymore?

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