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I´m from that younger generation who is not fan of 15 minutes guitar/keyboard solos, 5 mins of drum solos.... that´s why I often say that current audience would leave from venue to hear stuff like 30 minutes versions of Dazed And Confused or 30 minutes versions of Mandrake Root.... I dont like it and I know that most of people in my generation thinks in similar way.



Thank you for making me feel as old as I am!!!! emoticon I'd love to hear 30 minute versions with Steve and Don ... Six oder seven Songs per concert would do it for me ...
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Which Morse era songs would you consider being suitable for making 30 minutes of them? Or do you mean Wring That Neck and Space Truckin'? emoticon
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Any song would be suitable. Just like any Mk 2 song would have been suitable -- There's nothing particular about Space Truckin' that makes it especially good to stretch out, it's just that's the one they picked. The middle 15 minutes of the live versions are nothing to do with Space Truckin', they are random jams and solos that could fit into any Mk 2 (or Mk 7) song just as well.

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I´m from that younger generation who is not fan of 15 minutes guitar/keyboard solos, 5 mins of drum solos.... that´s why I often say that current audience would leave from venue to hear stuff like 30 minutes versions of Dazed And Confused or 30 minutes versions of Mandrake Root.... I dont like it and I know that most of people in my generation thinks in similar way.



Thank you for making me feel as old as I am!!!! emoticon I'd love to hear 30 minute versions with Steve and Don ... Six oder seven Songs per concert would do it for me ...



I know there are some people who would love to hear that but actually - I think it´s just very small minority of audience (sorry emoticon ), and also how would you put the set like that together? I cant imagine how to make 7 songs set and make audience satisfied. They started to do 13 songs at the times of Perfect Strangers, now they are doing 16 or 17... Songs are extended (Lazy is about 8-10 minutes long, Hush about that time too), but actually - I would not enjoy them to play something like Heaven and Hell did during their 90 mins shows with 18 minutes versions of H&H song... It was interesting, but I would not mind making H&H shorter and adding one more song. emoticon
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ptr wrote:

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For me MK III was the lineup that got me hooked on dp.




Very interesting point. ptr obviously got hooked on dp by MK VII, as I mean to remember. Could make some people understand him better. And is a proof: All Mks have their fans, they all are important parts of the history. Some of us like this mk better, some the other. Over the years I made my peace with mk III, although Stormbringer still is a bad album in my view. But I was hooked by mk2a and nothing can compare with - not them, but with what gets you excited, when you are young ...



Ptr, only became a Deep Purple fan in 1996???



As I was born in 1986 I "discovered" DP in 2000 - 2001 period because of my father who brought home Total Abandon DVD..... and Steve just stunned me! emoticon I remember that shortly after I discovered them, Jon Lord was leaving. So it was about that time. Actually I think that in 96 (at my 10 years old), I wasnt interested in music at all, it came few years later. emoticon



Happy sweet sixteen then.
What do you think of Ritchie Blackmore guitar playing? Does it have impact on you?
What do you think of Marks 1, 2, 3, 4?
What do you think about Made in Japan? Does it have any impact on you?




I think that these question are not necessary - I think you may know my answers from many of my comments, but my brief answers:

Ad Ritchie:
You know that I see Ritchie as doublesword personality - on one side, he was absolutely stunning - and in terms of DP career unbeatable. On other side, sometimes he acted like fool and played absolute crap (mostly in 80s). Sometimes - his acting seems to me almost like psychological research - what a crap and pure noise (without any musical sense) is audience able to tolerate from me? I have even read opinions that Ritchie´s acting seems almost like bi-polar disorder... but I dont think like that. He seems like unpredictable man of real extremes. Let´s say that I´m fan of focused musicians. emoticon

Mark 1:
Actually - excluding couple of songs, it leaves me cold...

Mark 2a:
Mark 2a is classic DP lineup, best ever.

Mark 3:
Actually - it´s mixed feeling. Burn is widely considered as classic album, but actually IMO it contains some of the weakest DP stuff recorded during classic period (I cant stand Lay Down Stay Down /IMO weakest track of whole Mk2 - Mk4 period/ and never understood admiration for You Fool No One - it´s just almost like weak rehash of The Mule)...

Stormbringer is ok album, but weaker than CTTB... but I dont have a need to listen to that album often.

Live? I dont like Mk3 live performances very much to be honest... Cant stand their versions of Mk2 stuff (especially Highway Star is disasterous!) and regarding Mk3 stuff? Fine, but sometimes a bit exaggerated and way too much out of control and out of context. I have never been a fan of 20 minutes takes of You Fool No One - weak song extended to that dimension? Skip! Actually - as much as I love Made In Japan, I have probably heard full Space Trucking from MIJ maybe 5x? emoticon I´m from that younger generation who is not fan of 15 minutes guitar/keyboard solos, 5 mins of drum solos.... that´s why I often say that current audience would leave from venue to hear stuff like 30 minutes versions of Dazed And Confused or 30 minutes versions of Mandrake Root.... I dont like it and I know that most of people in my generation thinks in similar way. In terms of live performances - songs are supposed to be extended.... but it have been way too much in 70s - as I mentioned few times - I have even read critical opinions that current Purple are extending stuff way too much and that 70s are gone and that they should rather do one more song rather than those extended parts... emoticon I actually think that Purple knew that this changed a lot, and started to dropping these extensions when they reunited and it was IMO very wise decision. You simply cannot play 100 minutes show of 6 or 7 songs to represent your decades long career.

Mk4:
I LOVE Come Taste The Band album! Live stuff sadly often ubearable due to toxic twins... Agree with statement that Mk4 was lost epic opportunity!




hmmm your really not a DP fan at all are you ptr?at least not a fan of the DP that the world of rock recognises.Your a Steve Morse fan first and foremost and then a Gillan fan.You state on the one hand that MK2a are the ultimate lineup but then tell us all that you can't stand extended soloing which in actual fact was a MAJOR part of MK2a.A bit of a contradiction don't you think?If you don't like the live versions of YFNO then your not a fan of hard rock music ?i mean this features 3 of the finest instrumentalists in the history of rock music demonstrating in a wonderful ,cohesive and extremely musical way their awesome gifts.You have stated many times that we have different tastes and your correct Im a fan of MKs 1-4 and early MK Morse up to and including the 99 concerto , you love Morse era DP and thats pretty much it.As a matter of interest which other hard rock bands do you like?Or are you not a fan of that genre?
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Randys wrote:

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ptr wrote:

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Randys wrote:

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Friedhelm wrote:

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Concrete god wrote:


For me MK III was the lineup that got me hooked on dp.




Very interesting point. ptr obviously got hooked on dp by MK VII, as I mean to remember. Could make some people understand him better. And is a proof: All Mks have their fans, they all are important parts of the history. Some of us like this mk better, some the other. Over the years I made my peace with mk III, although Stormbringer still is a bad album in my view. But I was hooked by mk2a and nothing can compare with - not them, but with what gets you excited, when you are young ...



Ptr, only became a Deep Purple fan in 1996???



As I was born in 1986 I "discovered" DP in 2000 - 2001 period because of my father who brought home Total Abandon DVD..... and Steve just stunned me! emoticon I remember that shortly after I discovered them, Jon Lord was leaving. So it was about that time. Actually I think that in 96 (at my 10 years old), I wasnt interested in music at all, it came few years later. emoticon



Happy sweet sixteen then.
What do you think of Ritchie Blackmore guitar playing? Does it have impact on you?
What do you think of Marks 1, 2, 3, 4?
What do you think about Made in Japan? Does it have any impact on you?




I think that these question are not necessary - I think you may know my answers from many of my comments, but my brief answers:

Ad Ritchie:
You know that I see Ritchie as doublesword personality - on one side, he was absolutely stunning - and in terms of DP career unbeatable. On other side, sometimes he acted like fool and played absolute crap (mostly in 80s). Sometimes - his acting seems to me almost like psychological research - what a crap and pure noise (without any musical sense) is audience able to tolerate from me? I have even read opinions that Ritchie´s acting seems almost like bi-polar disorder... but I dont think like that. He seems like unpredictable man of real extremes. Let´s say that I´m fan of focused musicians. emoticon

Mark 1:
Actually - excluding couple of songs, it leaves me cold...

Mark 2a:
Mark 2a is classic DP lineup, best ever.

Mark 3:
Actually - it´s mixed feeling. Burn is widely considered as classic album, but actually IMO it contains some of the weakest DP stuff recorded during classic period (I cant stand Lay Down Stay Down /IMO weakest track of whole Mk2 - Mk4 period/ and never understood admiration for You Fool No One - it´s just almost like weak rehash of The Mule)...

Stormbringer is ok album, but weaker than CTTB... but I dont have a need to listen to that album often.

Live? I dont like Mk3 live performances very much to be honest... Cant stand their versions of Mk2 stuff (especially Highway Star is disasterous!) and regarding Mk3 stuff? Fine, but sometimes a bit exaggerated and way too much out of control and out of context. I have never been a fan of 20 minutes takes of You Fool No One - weak song extended to that dimension? Skip! Actually - as much as I love Made In Japan, I have probably heard full Space Trucking from MIJ maybe 5x? emoticon I´m from that younger generation who is not fan of 15 minutes guitar/keyboard solos, 5 mins of drum solos.... that´s why I often say that current audience would leave from venue to hear stuff like 30 minutes versions of Dazed And Confused or 30 minutes versions of Mandrake Root.... I dont like it and I know that most of people in my generation thinks in similar way. In terms of live performances - songs are supposed to be extended.... but it have been way too much in 70s - as I mentioned few times - I have even read critical opinions that current Purple are extending stuff way too much and that 70s are gone and that they should rather do one more song rather than those extended parts... emoticon I actually think that Purple knew that this changed a lot, and started to dropping these extensions when they reunited and it was IMO very wise decision. You simply cannot play 100 minutes show of 6 or 7 songs to represent your decades long career.

Mk4:
I LOVE Come Taste The Band album! Live stuff sadly often ubearable due to toxic twins... Agree with statement that Mk4 was lost epic opportunity!




hmmm your really not a DP fan at all are you ptr?at least not a fan of the DP that the world of rock recognises.Your a Steve Morse fan first and foremost and then a Gillan fan.You state on the one hand that MK2a are the ultimate lineup but then tell us all that you can't stand extended soloing which in actual fact was a MAJOR part of MK2a.A bit of a contradiction don't you think?If you don't like the live versions of YFNO then your not a fan of hard rock music ?i mean this features 3 of the finest instrumentalists in the history of rock music demonstrating in a wonderful ,cohesive and extremely musical way their awesome gifts.You have stated many times that we have different tastes and your correct Im a fan of MKs 1-4 and early MK Morse up to and including the 99 concerto , you love Morse era DP and thats pretty much it.As a matter of interest which other hard rock bands do you like?Or are you not a fan of that genre?



No, it´s not in contradiction at all! The difference between us is, that I´m mainly overviewing their studio albums (plus how good / bad are live performances...). because studio albums are meant to be heard at home - so studio recordings are key part for my overview... you seem to say that almost the only important key of Deep Purple are those 20 minutes instrumental stuff, which obviously isnt true... at least for me - as they themselves left it as time went on. emoticon IMO it´s just minor marginal part of Deep Purple characteristics - at that time! Highway Star on Made In Japan is one of most stunning live performances of any band ever.... and it´s not extended at all compared to studio version - you dont need to make such an extensions to prove what a musician you are! emoticon So being a fan of Mk2a and do NOT be a fan of 20+ minutes performances of songs which were originally done in 5 minutes form... it´s not contradicting at all. emoticon I praised 12 minutes version of Anya from Stuttgart numerous times, I have no issue with 10 minutes Strange Kind Of Woman or 11 minutes version of Lazy from Made In Japan... on other side, I have no issue with 8 minutes long versions of When A Blind Man Cries (I actually prefer these long takes over original 3 minutes), I have no issue with 15 minutes versions of Speed King... it just depends how this extension is done. Actually MAYBE (just maybe!) that being there at Budokan and see them jamming in Space Trucking - MAYBE I would love it too.... but listening it at home? Sorry, no. When I listen to Japan stuff, I usually end with Lazy. emoticon

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ptr wrote:

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Randys wrote:

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For me MK III was the lineup that got me hooked on dp.




Very interesting point. ptr obviously got hooked on dp by MK VII, as I mean to remember. Could make some people understand him better. And is a proof: All Mks have their fans, they all are important parts of the history. Some of us like this mk better, some the other. Over the years I made my peace with mk III, although Stormbringer still is a bad album in my view. But I was hooked by mk2a and nothing can compare with - not them, but with what gets you excited, when you are young ...



Ptr, only became a Deep Purple fan in 1996???



As I was born in 1986 I "discovered" DP in 2000 - 2001 period because of my father who brought home Total Abandon DVD..... and Steve just stunned me! emoticon I remember that shortly after I discovered them, Jon Lord was leaving. So it was about that time. Actually I think that in 96 (at my 10 years old), I wasnt interested in music at all, it came few years later. emoticon



Happy sweet sixteen then.
What do you think of Ritchie Blackmore guitar playing? Does it have impact on you?
What do you think of Marks 1, 2, 3, 4?
What do you think about Made in Japan? Does it have any impact on you?




I think that these question are not necessary - I think you may know my answers from many of my comments, but my brief answers:

Ad Ritchie:
You know that I see Ritchie as doublesword personality - on one side, he was absolutely stunning - and in terms of DP career unbeatable. On other side, sometimes he acted like fool and played absolute crap (mostly in 80s). Sometimes - his acting seems to me almost like psychological research - what a crap and pure noise (without any musical sense) is audience able to tolerate from me? I have even read opinions that Ritchie´s acting seems almost like bi-polar disorder... but I dont think like that. He seems like unpredictable man of real extremes. Let´s say that I´m fan of focused musicians. emoticon

Mark 1:
Actually - excluding couple of songs, it leaves me cold...

Mark 2a:
Mark 2a is classic DP lineup, best ever.

Mark 3:
Actually - it´s mixed feeling. Burn is widely considered as classic album, but actually IMO it contains some of the weakest DP stuff recorded during classic period (I cant stand Lay Down Stay Down /IMO weakest track of whole Mk2 - Mk4 period/ and never understood admiration for You Fool No One - it´s just almost like weak rehash of The Mule)...

Stormbringer is ok album, but weaker than CTTB... but I dont have a need to listen to that album often.

Live? I dont like Mk3 live performances very much to be honest... Cant stand their versions of Mk2 stuff (especially Highway Star is disasterous!) and regarding Mk3 stuff? Fine, but sometimes a bit exaggerated and way too much out of control and out of context. I have never been a fan of 20 minutes takes of You Fool No One - weak song extended to that dimension? Skip! Actually - as much as I love Made In Japan, I have probably heard full Space Trucking from MIJ maybe 5x? emoticon I´m from that younger generation who is not fan of 15 minutes guitar/keyboard solos, 5 mins of drum solos.... that´s why I often say that current audience would leave from venue to hear stuff like 30 minutes versions of Dazed And Confused or 30 minutes versions of Mandrake Root.... I dont like it and I know that most of people in my generation thinks in similar way. In terms of live performances - songs are supposed to be extended.... but it have been way too much in 70s - as I mentioned few times - I have even read critical opinions that current Purple are extending stuff way too much and that 70s are gone and that they should rather do one more song rather than those extended parts... emoticon I actually think that Purple knew that this changed a lot, and started to dropping these extensions when they reunited and it was IMO very wise decision. You simply cannot play 100 minutes show of 6 or 7 songs to represent your decades long career.

Mk4:
I LOVE Come Taste The Band album! Live stuff sadly often ubearable due to toxic twins... Agree with statement that Mk4 was lost epic opportunity!



Your a strange and unique fan of DP and hard rock, ptr.

About Ritchie: it's clear that Ritchie does not have much impact on you, instead of saying how brilliant he plays the guitar, just like the many hard rock guitarists that he influenced, you begin with character assasination of Ritchie, if you liked nice, goody and kind guitarists then I recommend Phil Keaggy, Bob Hart of Petra, guitarists of Alabama, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, etc,. Ian Gillan is 'not' a saint either, he has his shares of bad attitude also. emoticon

I'm not gonna be surprised if you don't like Jimi Hendrix, Michael Schenker, Jim Morrison, etc. emoticon

About Mark I and Mark III: I can see that your not a big fan of these brilliant lineup.

Abou Mark II: Again it seems to me that the classic lineup, doesn't have much impact on you either, it's just my perception about the very short general comment you have on them. emoticon

Years or decades from now, rock bands and artists will be remembered mostly for their music they left us, not their attitude, it is reserve for books and movies. Most of rock and roll artists have egos, but thats rock and roll.
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Steve Morse will not be remembered for being a nice guy, being a team player.....he will be remembered for the music he did with Deep Purple, the Dixie Dregs, SMB and many more.
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Your a strange and unique fan of DP and hard rock, ptr.

About Ritchie: it's clear that Ritchie does not have much impact on you, instead of saying how brilliant he plays the guitar, just like the many hard rock guitarists that he influenced, you begin with character assasination of Ritchie, if you liked nice, goody and kind guitarists then I recommend Phil Keaggy, Bob Hart of Petra, guitarists of Alabama, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, etc,. Ian Gillan is 'not' a saint either, he has his shares of bad attitude also. emoticon



Quote from my comment: "on one side, he was absolutely stunning - and in terms of DP career unbeatable...." Nothing more needs to be said! But maybe you expect just neverending praising without any bad words..... which would be insincere from me!

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I'm not gonna be surprised if you don't like Jimi Hendrix, Michael Schenker, Jim Morrison, etc. emoticon


Just about JM - he was very talented singer (with GREAT voice - especially at the time of Morrison Hotel) and great lyricist, but sometimes he behaved like fool (actually like typical alcohol/drug addict) - and sadly for him and whole music genre - toll was the highest one - his own life. I would love to hear follow-up of LA Woman record (as it´s one of their best album)... But actually - I dont think that some of bad moments of his life and career (stories from 68 European Tour with Jefferson Airplane) should be praised (like life of rock boheme), when they are actually embarrasing.... same goes for Miami 69 etc.

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Abou Mark II: Again it seems to me that the classic lineup, doesn't have much impact on you either, it's just my perception about the very short general comment you have on them. emoticon


That´s NOT correct perception. I just made general statement, because I think nothing else need to be said. BTW - please notice that I´m writing about Mark 2a period!!! My negative comments towards RB are completely unrelated with Mk2a (69-73) period, but these negative comments affects my position about Mk2b/c era.... but in this case I reviewed ONLY the classic period - 69-73 era. And for that era, it´s exclusively about
"on one side, he was absolutely stunning - and in terms of DP career unbeatable...." this part of comment!

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Years or decades from now, rock bands and artists will be remembered mostly for their music they left us, not their attitude, it is reserve for books and movies. Most of rock and roll artists have egos, but thats rock and roll.


You still dont get it. Everyone needs to have some sort of "ego" to become successful.... The issue is, when this ego battle inside the band leads to destruction instead of creativity. As I wrote here - you may see only the good positive creative side of Ritchie... fine, but for me, there is dark side of his personality too... and that´s when he brought my favourite band near to absolute destruction. Ritchie is not only creative personality, but also very destructive character (as Jon Lord mentioned - when Ritchie refused ideas of all other members and then was commenting that he was the only one who was bringing the ideas to band). That´s when the ego issue starts to be danger... emoticon It´s like when Roger Waters left the band... and made legal actions against them (when they decided to continue without him) - that´s typical destructive action of epic egoist.

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Probably the most idiotic statement I have read on the forum in the last month, and in a month of idiotic Hall of Fame arguments that's saying something.

Everybody will NOW stop attacking other posters who has a different opinion. The forum is for people who like ANY era of Deep Purple, and it is allowed for any forum member to like any one era more than some other era.


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