Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll! https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/t1839 Runboard| Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll! en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:29:24 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:29:24 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re:https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501654,from=rss#post501654https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p501654,from=rss#post501654Sorry, wrong topic...nondisclosed_email@example.com (snakehead)Mon, 16 May 2016 21:34:36 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32388,from=rss#post32388https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32388,from=rss#post32388Tell that to Kiss way back in 1981 when they left America to do the exact same thing they did here,and that is a fact,they found out there was a big place for them outside of this vacuum called the U.S.A. and they took major advantage of it,and they were able to give something to those abroad,and are thankful for it. Had they not done this they woudn't be around today,American audiences are hand fed,unlike the rest of the world,I know,I've been to enough countries to witness the difference in the appreciation of music,and it's amazingly different abroad than it is here.(for the better,I assure you)nondisclosed_email@example.com (Gillans micstand)Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:09:59 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32387,from=rss#post32387https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32387,from=rss#post32387I am not arguing that the US is the only place worth cracking and that anywhere else outside of it is irrelevant. What I am saying is that America is the place where the fame, the girls, the drugs etc are gonna come from. It's also the place where it is important to be seen with money. Lets face it, most bands thrive on the mere thought of getting to the stage where they are "it". nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:22:30 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32386,from=rss#post32386https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32386,from=rss#post32386quote:Alistair Tait wrote: That's a fair enough point, but you don't hear Britney Spears raving on the radio that she has a number 1 hit in Albania and is looking forward to the Bulgarian alternative to the Brit Awards, do you? The point is that there is a HUGE market outside the US. Europe is big. Japan is big. You can sell millions and millions of albums (and outsell Black Sabbath) and live happily the rest of your life without bothering too much about the lack of MTV airplay... But to get back to the original topic I think polls of these kinds are useless, but they also say a lot about the stuff that is required in order to be seen as a good frontman. Gillan has very little in common with those guys so I was still a bit surprised that he was rated that high. (And also we should remember that many of those bands have very average or anonymous band members except for the "charismatic" front man.)nondisclosed_email@example.com (niji)Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:36:41 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32385,from=rss#post32385https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32385,from=rss#post32385Alistair Tate quote:That's a fair enough point, but you don't hear Britney Spears raving on the radio that she has a number 1 hit in Albania and is looking forward to the Bulgarian alternative to the Brit Awards, do you? Absolutely 100% pointless statement,who gives a rats narrow ass about such nonsense???? America is practically irrelevant when it comes to British rock since atleast 1990.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Gillans micstand)Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:33:28 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32384,from=rss#post32384https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32384,from=rss#post32384quote:Alistair Tait wrote: That's a fair enough point, but only in America they sell backstage passess. only 25 tickets at only 10 shows is 250 passes for 75 000 US$ (300$for the pass and 100$ for ticket and daft t-shirt) for did they did do for free earlier. To quotewibble John Cougar Mellemcamp: "Ain't that America, the home of the free."nondisclosed_email@example.com (mrsnip)Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:58:18 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32383,from=rss#post32383https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32383,from=rss#post32383quote:David Meadows wrote: quote:Alistair Tait wrote: quote:Gillans micstand wrote: Black Sabbath may very well out sell Purple in the U.S. but thats the only country in which they do so. But the States is where the money is to be made. Top 30 hit in the US is better than a top 10 hit in Germany, France, Russia or Italy. That is just a fact. Potential record-buying people in the USA: 193 million Potential record-buying people in Europe: 248 million Europe is where the money is. America isn't all that important, really. (Population figures are for the 15-65 age band, 2004 estimates.) That's a fair enough point, but you don't hear Britney Spears raving on the radio that she has a number 1 hit in Albania and is looking forward to the Bulgarian alternative to the Brit Awards, do you? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:41:45 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32382,from=rss#post32382https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32382,from=rss#post32382quote:Alistair Tait wrote: quote:Gillans micstand wrote: Black Sabbath may very well out sell Purple in the U.S. but thats the only country in which they do so. But the States is where the money is to be made. Top 30 hit in the US is better than a top 10 hit in Germany, France, Russia or Italy. That is just a fact. Potential record-buying people in the USA: 193 million Potential record-buying people in Europe: 248 million Europe is where the money is. America isn't all that important, really. (Population figures are for the 15-65 age band, 2004 estimates.) nondisclosed_email@example.com (David Meadows)Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:16:35 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32381,from=rss#post32381https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32381,from=rss#post32381Like Rahul I rate Coverdale a much better frontman than Gillan. Gillan is working on stage, Coverdale is entertaining. There are small points that make the difference. A good frontman knows where he is and shows the audience that he knows it (a fact, that is a great help for bootleg traders). He shows the audience, that he knows some people in the crowd, makes the impression to the audience that it can influence the setlist, changes his in-between-song-talks. No Ballamy stone or "my first wive" stories everyday. I enjoy it much more when Coverdale talks about the Greek roots of Timothy Drury in Athens and his experiences with asparagus in Cologne...nondisclosed_email@example.com (snakehead)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:56:19 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32380,from=rss#post32380https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32380,from=rss#post32380I'm not enraged at all. All is fine, atleast here.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:53:35 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32379,from=rss#post32379https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32379,from=rss#post32379Ok, calm down now!! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:52:42 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32378,from=rss#post32378https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32378,from=rss#post32378I know. NOW.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:29:43 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32377,from=rss#post32377https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32377,from=rss#post32377... but he wasn't in this poll, which happens to be the poll we are talking about!! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:23:49 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32376,from=rss#post32376https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32376,from=rss#post32376What the heck did I confuse? I've seen his name in a poll.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:00:36 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32375,from=rss#post32375https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32375,from=rss#post32375quote:Trollprincess wrote: And don't forget EMINEM!! My good god, EMINEM! Ummm... Eminem aint in there! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:57:50 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32374,from=rss#post32374https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32374,from=rss#post32374And don't forget EMINEM!! My good god, EMINEM! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Trollprincess)Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:05:03 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32373,from=rss#post32373https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32373,from=rss#post32373All these lists and polls are real shit. The wankers from these magazines do these list while they are drinking too many bears and write down what tehy think about it. And DP and Ian gillan do not have any credit by these guys. So, who cares? And what about such loosers as Axl Who? or others. Forget them. Ian Gillan is number 1!.nondisclosed_email@example.com (dirty dog)Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:00:06 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32372,from=rss#post32372https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32372,from=rss#post32372quote:Alistair Tait wrote: Compared to guys like Ozzy Osbourne, Steven Tyler, Bon Scott etc, most people are gonna be fighting a losing battle! Gillan is not an overly charismatic frontman, whereas as those guys were/are. Think about it, Axl Rose, Ozzy Osbourne, Bon Scott and Steven Tyler are all off their heads and can control an audience like nobody's business (but just can't control themselves!). Gillan isn't even in the same league, in my opinion. Note that this was a top 100 greatest frontmen and not top 100 greatest singers. totally agree, Ali. nondisclosed_email@example.com (RJD)Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:53:39 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32371,from=rss#post32371https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32371,from=rss#post32371quote:Gillans micstand wrote: I know Zeppelin has sold more records than Purple,but please furnish us with Floyds alltime sales figures before you make such a claim. The Wall has sold 23 million copies. Dark Side Of The Moon has sold 15 million coppies. Nuff said! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:19:02 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32370,from=rss#post32370https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32370,from=rss#post32370To Gillan's micstand: A)Purple has sold in excess of 130 million records? Where's your proof? Can you supply me with a book, website or anywhere else to substantiate that claim? Did Bruce Payne tell you that personally? Did he supply you the figures to back it up? If Billboard and the RIAA are all "smoke and mirrors", where are your figures from? B)The US is the only country where Sabbath outsold Purple? Where's your evidence of that? Same question as above. If you're going to challenge everyone else's statements you don't agree with, than I'll challenge yours. Show me where I can see the proof that Purple outsells Sabbath everywhere in the world but the US. I demand proof. You only conceded the point on Status Quo after people supplied you with the evidence, now show me your evidence on this claim.nondisclosed_email@example.com (metaljim)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:52:40 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32369,from=rss#post32369https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32369,from=rss#post32369Check out this link to the RIAA site. These are the top 100 albums (saleswise) as of August 2003. Some of the figures are staggering. Glad to see the Eagles beat out Michael Jackson for the best selling album of all time. Sabbath isn't on here, nor is Purple. In fact, most of the list is stuff I'd never buy. The Zeppelin catalog has been a steady seller, as has Pink Floyd's. In the US, we can thank classic rock radio for beating the same 200 songs, from the same 100 artists, into an entire generation's collective heads, making them believe that those are the only albums worth owning from the 70's.nondisclosed_email@example.com (metaljim)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:42:48 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32368,from=rss#post32368https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32368,from=rss#post32368quote:Gillans micstand wrote: Black Sabbath may very well out sell Purple in the U.S. but thats the only country in which they do so. But the States is where the money is to be made. Top 30 hit in the US is better than a top 10 hit in Germany, France, Russia or Italy. That is just a fact. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:29:34 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32367,from=rss#post32367https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32367,from=rss#post32367This cracks me up!!!!!!!!!!!! Deep Purple have sold OVER 130 million records!!!!!!! Their over the counter sales are in excess on a whopping one billion pounds worth! (NOT U.S. DOLLARS MIND YOU!) I managed a record shop in the mid 80's myself and it has no bearing what so ever on my knowledge of sales figures(before upc scanning was in place) but I can say that Billboard is a joke in terms of revealing any kind of sales figures for Deep Purple after 1976,this is a straight fact of the matter. Billboard doesn't have any honest integrity left to speak of,it's all smoke and mirrors designed to capture the attention of corporate flavors of the week.(bottom line) They are so friggen corrupt it's pathetic,the way they operate is to keep people interested in the current buying market and smoke screen consumers into thinking the artist of the week is selling more or less than they are,in order to gain quick sales (if the consumer thinks it's selling big,they will run out and buy it) it all boils down to what they call "EARLY CHART PLACEMENT" AND THEY ARE PAID BY BIG WIG COPORATE EXECUTIVES TO PLACE ARTISTS WHO MOST LIKELY NEVER HAVE A FOLLOW UP HIT RECORD OR JUST WANT TO BOOST SALES AT THE EARLY STAGE OF RELEASE. Black Sabbath may very well out sell Purple in the U.S. but thats the only country in which they do so. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Gillans micstand)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:40:02 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32366,from=rss#post32366https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32366,from=rss#post32366Gillan 30th? To me, he belongs in the Top 10 of all time, definitely. I'm not positive whom I'd give the #1 slot to, but I suspect (for males) I might go with Elvis. Perhaps he technically shouldn't be considered as a "frontman" - being as he was the show - but when all the elements of what a successful frontman should be are added up, Elvis is pretty difficult to top, in my non-humble opinion.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MrEd45)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:48:29 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32365,from=rss#post32365https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32365,from=rss#post32365quote:snakehead wrote: But I think that the situation in Europe was much different. "In Rock" is one of the all time most successful albums here in Germany, was more than a year in the Top 10 of the album charts, Fireball, MIJ, MH, Burn and even HOBL were No.1. Purple has 6 albums in the "All time German Album charts Top 100" (based on chart positions), the best Sabbath album is on position 240, the best Led Zeppelin on 151... I agree this is because Deep purple are globally more popular but in the US and maybe UK there are other local bands who are far more popular. Also Deep Purple has a far greater number of Complilation albums leading to lesser fans buying these sets like 'Very Best of', 'Deepest Purple', '24 Caret', 'When we rock..','anthems', 'Singles-mark-II' etc etc etc. This leads to the some fans buying these best of rather than whole albums which means the actual album like 'In rock' 'fireball' 'WDWTWA' are hit making it harder for them to go platinum. nondisclosed_email@example.com (rajt)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:14:32 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32364,from=rss#post32364https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32364,from=rss#post32364But I think that the situation in Europe was much different. "In Rock" is one of the all time most successful albums here in Germany, was more than a year in the Top 10 of the album charts, Fireball, MIJ, MH, Burn and even HOBL were No.1. Purple has 6 albums in the "All time German Album charts Top 100" (based on chart positions), the best Sabbath album is on position 240, the best Led Zeppelin on 151...nondisclosed_email@example.com (snakehead)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:04:46 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32363,from=rss#post32363https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32363,from=rss#post32363You're correct about Sabbath's sales not being close to Purple's. Sabbath has sold a way more records, mostly due to the high profile of Ozzy's career. The first five Black Sabbath albums are certified platinum, as is Heaven and Hell. The only certified platinum albums by Purple are MH, MIJ and Perfect Strangers. These are the figures supplied by Billboard. I have a press release for Slaves & Masters that cites both Machine Head and Made In Japan as having sold in excess of 15 million copies each, PS as having sold 3 million and HOBL selling 1.5 million. However, they don't supply the source of the figures. It could be record company hype. The cold hard facts are this; As the 70's came to a close, hard rock bands (with the exception of Zeppelin) suffered a major decline in sales. Purple and Sabbath were pretty much forgotten in the States, at least as far as heavy radio airplay and sales went. However, with the birth of Ozzy's spectacular solo career, the Sabbath back catalog took off like a rocket. I worked at an indepemdent record store, and we just couldn't keep Sabbath albums in stock. They were sold when we got them, mostly to young kids who worshipped Ozzy. None of them were certified platinum until the 80's. Look how quickly Purple fell off the radar screen. 1973, MIJ drags MH up the charts (again) and SOTW is a #4 single. Sales multiply and they become the biggest album selling band in the world. Gillan/Glover leave, MkIII bathes in all the glory that MkII destroyed itself building. Burn goes to #9, than falls. Stormbringer doesn't even crack the top 10, CTTB doesn't even make the top 40. Made in Europe doesn't even make the top 100. Purple didn't have any one member who was popular enough to maintain an interest in the band after they broke up. Ozzy kept the Sabbath catalog out there, playing stuff from all the albums at one time or another. He even did the live all Sabbath covers album, "Speak Of The Devil", whch went gold. We had a LOT of kids come in and ask us for the early Sabbath albums, seeking out the tunes they liked off that Ozzy record. Purple sold a bunch of records over the course of their career, but it's been mostly at two distinct times in their career. The first time being 1973 and the second between '84 and '87. Since 1980, the Sabbath catalog has been a top seller all over the US. nondisclosed_email@example.com (metaljim)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:16:28 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32362,from=rss#post32362https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32362,from=rss#post32362I know Zeppelin has sold more records than Purple,but please furnish us with Floyds alltime sales figures before you make such a claim. Black Sabbath doesn't come close to Purple in sales,thats one thing for sure.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Gillans micstand)Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:33:37 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32361,from=rss#post32361https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32361,from=rss#post32361quote:rajt wrote: Deep Purple are big but not that big. Yes, I think you are correct. Purple are not in the same league (sales wise) as their contemporaries like Led Zep or Pink Floyd. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Alistair Tait)Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:16:09 +0000 Re: Gillan takes 30th in Classic Rock‘s ‘Best Frontman’ poll!https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32360,from=rss#post32360https://bdeeppurplefanforum.runboard.com/p32360,from=rss#post32360Going by the ranking given to Ritchie (was it 100 in some poll). Me things Gillan at 30 it quite an achievement. Deep Purple are big but not that big.nondisclosed_email@example.com (rajt)Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:24:53 +0000