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Actually - it´s almost like mystery that with Ritchie´s leaving, Ian´s voice got much better in next couple of years. Why? My suggestion for it would be that stress, conflicts and permanent tension between them could have that impact (maybe you should ask singers how long-time stress affect singing)


That may be one reason for Gillan's voice improving. Another reason could well be that with Blackmore leaving, Gillan gained control over the setlists and so could omit the songs which forced his voice too much.

The problem with the 1993 tour is that both Gillan and Blackmore did it it for the money. No one of them really wanted to work together with the other one again. So I consider the good shows of this tour as some kind of gift to the fans emerging from the musicians - at least two of them - doing something they didn't want to do. That there couldn't be only good shows under these circumstances cannot surprise anyone who knows what was happening, as well as
that Blackmore left after a few months. It was an ill-fated tour, similar to Mk IV in 1975/76, I'm stunned that legendary shows like Stuttgart could evolve from that.

Side note: It has its reasons that the 1993 tour gives reason for much, much more discussion than everything which followed. emoticon




Actually - I think that doing the song against the wish of singer is very bad thing. Singer is the only one who works with natural instrument, singer is the most vulnerable guy in the band like DP are - singer is the one who has to have veto over the songs (actually I think that everyone in the band should have that right) and also - the order of the setlist should be adapted to him... and maybe to the drummer who has physically most demanding work.

BTW interesting thing is they dropped Child In Time for 96 tour, not in 93 (with Satriani´s arrival) or in 94/95 (first gigs with Steve), but also the fact is they didnt play it on couple of gigs when IG probably didnt feel right for it (that´s how it should work IMO). Child In Time versions they did during TBRO in Paris or Prague were just embarrasing and it was epic mistake to play them in such a conditions. Singer should have a right to say "drop this for tonight!"

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Actually - I think that doing the song against the wish of singer is very bad thing. Singer is the only one who works with natural instrument, singer is the most vulnerable guy in the band like DP are - singer is the one who has to have veto over the songs (actually I think that everyone in the band should have that right) and also - the order of the setlist should be adapted to him... and maybe to the drummer who has physically most demanding work.


I don't disagree to that. However, the 1993 tour was promoted as the "25 years anniversary tour" (myself I don't care about things like that), so of course they had to play the classics like Child In Time. Maybe Blackmore demanded to do that, maybe the management insisted. We don't know. From 1994 on there was no "25 years anniversary" fuzz any more, so they could do what they wanted.

About the physical effort for the drummer: I'm sure than Ian Paice is still able to play a set of demanding songs like Burn oder You Fool No One - if it's necessary, he changes the drum pattern to make it easier without destroying the song. He knows how to do that.
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Actually - I think that doing the song against the wish of singer is very bad thing. Singer is the only one who works with natural instrument, singer is the most vulnerable guy in the band like DP are - singer is the one who has to have veto over the songs (actually I think that everyone in the band should have that right) and also - the order of the setlist should be adapted to him... and maybe to the drummer who has physically most demanding work.


I don't disagree to that. However, the 1993 tour was promoted as the "25 years anniversary tour" (myself I don't care about things like that), so of course they had to play the classics like Child In Time. Maybe Blackmore demanded to do that, maybe the management insisted. We don't know. From 1994 on there was no "25 years anniversary" fuzz any more, so they could do what they wanted.

About the physical effort for the drummer: I'm sure than Ian Paice is still able to play a set of demanding songs like Burn oder You Fool No One - if it's necessary, he changes the drum pattern to make it easier without destroying the song. He knows how to do that.



It´s not question about which songs, sometimes it´s order which is more important. Playing fast or very demanding songs played in row, giving some mid-slow tempo type of track etc. Have a time to relax - everyone needs it. One of my best friends is drummer in Queen Tribute band and he told me that it´s epic suffering for him when he is supposed to do songs like Now I´m Here, Dragon Attack, Rock It and Dont Stop Me Now shortly after each other. Doing these songs separated or with some slower or non-demanding tracks between them is no problem, but putting this songs into medley or playing them in row is just.... extremely tiring.
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This is what you said ptr

"The issue is, that the last period where Ritchie was long-time and stable (!!!) at this level (with DP) was in 1973 or 1974."

do you stand by that statement?


There were shows in 1993 in which he didn't play on the level on which he could have played. If that's what ptr means with "stable", I agree with him. The controversial thing for me is that even a Blackmore from 1993 not playing what he could have played is more interesting for me than what Morse did afterwards, but that's up to personal taste of course. I prefer Birmingham 1993 to any Mk VII / VIII show, but I understand everyone who rather enjoys a Morse show knowing that he will deliver on a certain level than a Blackmore show not knowing what will happen.



I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.
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The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



I dont know what happened but Steve lost a lot in the past years. The last show i attended he was having a LOT of trouble to do some of his fast picking/more elaborated stuff. He seemed to be in a lot of pain....He used to do it with NO effort. The guy is getting old too. Still a great guitarist, but RB is untouchable.
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This is what you said ptr

"The issue is, that the last period where Ritchie was long-time and stable (!!!) at this level (with DP) was in 1973 or 1974."

do you stand by that statement?


There were shows in 1993 in which he didn't play on the level on which he could have played. If that's what ptr means with "stable", I agree with him. The controversial thing for me is that even a Blackmore from 1993 not playing what he could have played is more interesting for me than what Morse did afterwards, but that's up to personal taste of course. I prefer Birmingham 1993 to any Mk VII / VIII show, but I understand everyone who rather enjoys a Morse show knowing that he will deliver on a certain level than a Blackmore show not knowing what will happen.



I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon
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The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



I dont know what happened but Steve lost a lot in the past years. The last show i attended he was having a LOT of trouble to do some of his fast picking/more elaborated stuff. He seemed to be in a lot of pain....He used to do it with NO effort. The guy is getting old too. Still a great guitarist, but RB is untouchable.



He has issues with his wrist since late 2013. I think he found the way how to deal with it. In Oct 2013 he was great, in Feb 2014 he struggled a lot.... when I saw him this year, he was much better than in Feb.
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The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



I dont know what happened but Steve lost a lot in the past years. The last show i attended he was having a LOT of trouble to do some of his fast picking/more elaborated stuff. He seemed to be in a lot of pain....He used to do it with NO effort. The guy is getting old too. Still a great guitarist, but RB is untouchable.



He has issues with his wrist since late 2013. I think he found the way how to deal with it. In Oct 2013 he was great, in Feb 2014 he struggled a lot.... when I saw him this year, he was much better than in Feb.



I did not know that. Thanks.
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I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon


Rock music is about something else than getting good grades at school. Even a bad music performance can be exciting whereas a bad grade at school is nothing but a bad grade at school. For me, this is no more of a valid comparison than comparing a band to a marriage.

However, I know what you want to say with that. emoticon
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This is what you said ptr

"The issue is, that the last period where Ritchie was long-time and stable (!!!) at this level (with DP) was in 1973 or 1974."

do you stand by that statement?


There were shows in 1993 in which he didn't play on the level on which he could have played. If that's what ptr means with "stable", I agree with him. The controversial thing for me is that even a Blackmore from 1993 not playing what he could have played is more interesting for me than what Morse did afterwards, but that's up to personal taste of course. I prefer Birmingham 1993 to any Mk VII / VIII show, but I understand everyone who rather enjoys a Morse show knowing that he will deliver on a certain level than a Blackmore show not knowing what will happen.



I don't think theres a musician on the planet who doesn't have ups and downs ?? Rock legends are human just like the rest of us and suffer from physical and mental complaints So of course there are some shows better than others.Ive seen Ritchie around 20 times since 1979 in Rainbow, Purple and BN and some nights have been better than others but the level has never dropped below very good ,some nights of course were sublime.
The assertion here seems to be that Steves level never changes?That is simply not the case i have seen Mk Morse about 6/7 times and there has been a variation in Steves playing as well.



Let´s see that when I used school marks:
From 1 (the best) to 5 (the worst).
Ritchie´s marking is going from excellent 1*.... Steve´s best marking would may be 1-... But Ritchie´s marking ends up on awful truly bad 5 and Steve´s marking ends up on maybe 3+ (better 3)? emoticon



If your talking about Ritchie in the 80s then i would agree he played some sh1t a lot of the time though there was usually some sublime work in there too e.g. his KAYBD solos were a highlight of post reunion shows..If your talking about Ritchie outside of the 80s then i disagree even his poor performances were good.As i said I've seen him around 20 times and he's never dropped below good.Maybe I've been lucky?
Steve on the Abandon tour approached a 1- for sure but since then its been no higher than a boring middle of the road 3.That was only one tour out of 20 years though ptr where he's been really inspired.
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