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I'm not a fan of his solo stuff but the albums he did with Scorpions are the best they've done. Beats the much more commercial stuff they released in the 80's.

His intro solo to The Sails of Charon is great.

Had the prevelige to meet the man backstage at at DP concert once and he was very friendly and we had a nice long chat while having a drink.
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Forgot to post this earlier: Tremolo has nothing to do with being in or out of tune.

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Forgot to post this earlier: Tremolo has nothing to do with being in or out of tune.



AFAIK some guitars tend to go out of tune after playing "too aggressive" tremolo playing - especially Vai´s signature guitars tend to do that....
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Forgot to post this earlier: Tremolo has nothing to do with being in or out of tune.



AFAIK some guitars tend to go out of tune after playing "too aggressive" tremolo playing - especially Vai´s signature guitars tend to do that....



Tremolo can be achieved on guitar, but typically it is an outside effect.

Do you have any examples of too aggressive tremolo playing? That would be interesting to see and try.
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Tremolo comes from a variance in volume. Vibrato comes from a variance in pitch. The terms have been used and misused many times over the years, but the apparatus on a guitar is a vibrato bar. Tremolo is a feature on an amp (or pedal).
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Ah, did you mean vibrato, Ptr?

A mate of mine, a virtuoso guitarist, has a Vai Ibanez. He has never complained it going out of tune easily.

In a quality guitar, how you set it up is important. I can't believe there is something wrong with the design of the Vai model. Maybe the person who told you this doesn't know how to adjust stuff. I always use a professional for maintenance, only change the strings myself. He checks out stuff like the intonation is correct throughout and that the nut and the saddles do not jam strings.
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Yeah, I had a Vai model and that thing would NOT go out of tune even if I tried. That said, I can go all Hendrix or Blackmore on my strats (no locking systems, mind you) and after hours and hours of trial and error, they won't go out of tune either, unless I break a string.
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Sheesh I come back from my mini vacation and I see a bunch of BS posted. Ok, Imma try to keep this nice and short* and say it once so that ya'll understand because I don't like repeating myself.

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Dartagnan wrote:

Hearing Mark Knopfler for the first time, way back when, had far more of an impact on me than the likes of Van Halen. I still prefer Dire Straits first album to all of the others the band released. It was that 'top class pub band approach' coupled with the most amazing lead guitar playing and fantastic songwriting. What more could you ask for! Just listening to Tunnel Of Love (yet again) from Making Movies, coincidentally. What a fantastic song that is.

Knopfler is 'amateurish'? Nah.

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I'm very happy for you brother and the impact Straits had on you. I definitely recognize their appeal as a group and even like a few tunes (I rate Mark as an amateur at one thing only, though he isn't exactly brilliant at everything else either emoticon ), I can see the appeal such a band would have in the midst of Punk, NWOBHM, great bands of the late 60s and early 70s fading away, etc. A braith of fresh air. They found a nice niche, a nice opening to ''make it''.

But here is [sign in to see URL] problem, just general distaste when it comes to that group. You called it perfectly actually! ''top class pub band approach''

Pub band. That's exactly what I hear in 90% Strait's material. I wouldn't go as far as to call it ''elevator muzak'' (that's for BN) but a lounge material, surely. And top class or not, a pub band it is. But one thing Mark Knopfler is not, is a top class LEAD guitarist, not even a pub band one, because there are pub, hell, street guitarists better than him.

You mentioned ''the most amazing lead guitar playing'' and you also mentioned Van Halen in your post. I think you got the two confused because Eddie Van Halen is the one who is a virtuoso between the two and it's not just the tapping, far from it. I'll confess, I don't like Mark Knopfler as a guitar player. I've heard it all - all albums, because I like my music collection big and because I don't like to talk about musicians before I give them a chance and explore their full catalogue. Mark Knopfler is one of the most ''one-note'' guitar players that succeeded in the mainstream. The guy has like 2 or 3 solos and licks in his arsenal and thats it. He's not original, he's certanly not creative or melodicaly advanced, he is most definitely not a well varied player and he de-facto has [sign in to see URL] not poor per say, but mediocre skills. He's an average pub band guitarists. And as for fantastic songwriting, he wrote a few good tunes most of which sounds like the same tune and after that it's more bland, average stuff. Hendrix, Page, Zappa, Bolin, etc. those were fantastic songwriters. Blackmore, Beck, Roth ( emoticon ), Gatton, Zappa, etc. are/were amazing lead guitarists. Knopfler is not fit to clean the strings of either of those groups and I could name a 100 more.

And that is all I have to say on this subject. This is my opinion and most of it pertaining to [sign in to see URL] lead skills I consider as facts which I am willing to back up with musical theory explanations/debates, ''video battles'' (you post what you consider an amazing lead playing by Knopfler I'll tell you why it's not and post a video of truly amazing players, etc. if I have the time).

Just not in THIS TOPIC. It's the German Hippie's topic. If you want argue these facts please open up a ''Mark Knopfler'' topic and we will take it from there, but it won't be pretty - I mean I'll keep it civilized and all but there is one cuckoo fanatic troll/stalker on this forum who will probably explode with rage. emoticon

Oh and I should note, just because I consider Knopfler an amateur soloist doesn't mean there is anything wrong with people liking or loving his solos and playing. It just does not automatically make him great. Just like I love my 2010 Volvo S80 and prefer it to driving in a 2014 Aston Martin doesn't mean the AM isn't the better car, because it is. Hell, one of my favorite guitar players uses mostly 2 fingers (and he has all of them, unlike Django!) one key and only the pentatonic and minor blues scales! I like his style way more than Vai's but Vai is de-facto a better guitar player. You catching my swing here? I'm just getting ahead of all the old, tired, sick ''mwaaa, mwaaa (crying sounds) it's all opinions, it's all opinions, I can't handle someone calling something I like not good, facts don't exists in this case, mwaaa''. Just STFU in advance. Now like I said, let's make another topic if you wish. emoticon

*sorry, failed on the short part emoticon

p.s. that link you posted sounds like just another of the ''more of the same'' Straits songs and features absolutely nothing worthwile from Mark so what was the point of it?

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I found that terrible performance of UJR that I have seen:

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Telling me that this is great guitarist according to THIS performance is like telling me that IG is best rock singer ever and reviewing Paris 85 performance. emoticon



Ok after I've spent my finger energy on the other long ass post I really got's to keep this short*, should be easy since what you wrote is nonsense. First of all, I thought you were referring to the clips I posted with your comments on Uli. Go back to page one, watch solo 1 and 2, 6, the first collection, first two minutes of solo 4 (and most of solo 3) and tell me that is not a great guitar player just so I can label you as tone-deaf and ignore your posts from now on.

Actually I can do that already now, for one reason. I ain't never seen that video you posted. I've seen some great Little Wing performances by Uli, this is clearly not one of them. Uli, like Blackmore (but to a slightly lesser extent) improvises and sometimes it works to a brilliant effect (my clips emoticon ) sometimes less. The clip you posted is Uli going through the motions and like a proper hippy not giving a flying f**k, but it is certanly far from horrible and what makes me question you'r hearing is this. How come you don't cringe everytime Morse does his fast, narrow vibrato? Because that thing is so f****ng out of tune and poorly controlled it's like I'm listening to Kirk Hammet. His bending is also often a disaster and don't get me started on his ''phrasing'' (what phrasing?? and often out of key). I mean, I saw that recent SMOKE video and his solo was garbage bigger than anything Uli does in that video you posted, which has some decent stuff towards the end actually.

But no I am not telling you or anyone that Uli is a great guitarist based on the clip YOU posted, I am saying he is based on the clips I POSTED and many more that I have yet to (and his studio material). Just like I wouldn't try to tell you that Blackmore is a great guitarist by posting any of the 99% of his videos from 80-88 or even some BN stuff (yes, Ol'Blackers does f**k up too) or convince you that Jeff Beck is a great guitarist by posting one of his (many) crappy performances instead of the genius stuff he does 90% of the time.

I am however still waiting to see a single bloody video from Morse in DP that would make me go ''now THAT'S a great guitarist, a great soloist!''. Because there is none. Morse IS a great guitarist, it's just not in the style of music DP play and he can't solo for !@#$ either. His country hybrid/fingerpicking stuff and that one run he knows are damn fine technical skills, but every second bum from Nashville that plays the guitar has them.

Ugh, I'm mad at myself for wasting the time responding to you.

But do beware, more brilliant Uli clips will come and kick you in the balls. emoticon

*failed again, I guess like my d**k I can't keep the posts short! emoticon
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I have great difficulties at seeing MK as not a great guitarist. I was never a big fan, but a great player and also a very good singer.

I was never a fan of EHV either, but clearly he is not short of a stunning virtuoso, who made a small revolution in rock guitar. I just never heard any musical point in it, as I found their songs quite mediocre, peppered by acrobatic guitar playing.

Definitely prefer MK who always sang and played well-crafted songs.

As for the social-political reference made above, I always loved this piss-take on the upper-middle-class, public school Dire Straits fan by Harry Enfield:

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