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Re: Some questions about moving threads


If you don't remember the beginning of the thread, keep those accusations to yourself. You explicitely accused me of having contributed nothing on topic, and this is simply not true.

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No you didn't accuse me of putting my thread in the wrong place; you just made a point of saying (masquerading as suggesting) that it should be moved. That amounts to the same thing in my book - criticism of where it is currently located.


As I already explained: At the time you opened the thread it wasn't at a wrong place from my point of view. So I wrote an ontopic answer (expecting it would be recognized). Later on the discussion focussed on the Coverdale miming thing, and that was my reason to suggest a move.

And indeed, it was a suggestion, nothing more and nothing less.

Finally, you may remember me forever as the villain who has ruined "your" thread if you feel like that, but perhaps it's a bit of a consolation that I a) asked the staff whether to put suggestions like that elsewhere rather than in the respective thread itself and b) announced not to post anything in "your" thread's second edition. Nothing ontopic to be forgotten afterwards, and nothing offtopic. You may call my broomstick ride through "your" thread an evil trolling attack, perhaps it helps you to live with it that I don't insist on repeating things like that.


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The problem with your preferred approach is that the thread starter should have no control over where their threads end up. This has got to be wrong and it leads to all kinds of abuses against certain posters because it concedes to 'troll' preferences to try to ruin their threads. There is no way this should be acceptable.

If Rezi was to adopt your suggestions, I suppose that I can look forward to having every single thread ruined each time someone changes topic deliberately to spoil the thread or some other posters just progress a conversation innocently onto something not covered in the earlier post or not mentioned by the thread starter in their opening post.

Example:

Supposing the thread is called 'Dio is a great singer or not?' Everyone answers that point for a few of posts then someone happens to mention or compare him with Ozzie. According to you the subject has changed entirely becaue it's no longer about RRR, therefore the thread should be moved to 'General.' Then someone else mentions that Dio has a biography written about him and the coversation then focuses on that a bit for a few posts. According to you the thread needs to be then be moved again to 'Biographies, Books and Reviews' site.

What about my 'Doom Doogie' thread? This is about Doogie White covering BS material. I put it in the RRR site because Doogie is associated with RRR, just as Coverdale was associated with DP. But, according to you, should it really be in the Doogie White site instead? Or should it be exported to a Black Sabbath forum instead? Come to think of it, should Doogie himself be posting on the RRR site as he does when he's plugging a new album or song, now that he's not in R'bow? Yet I don't see you complaining about him or ruining his threads when he posts on the RRR site.

This idea of yours is daft and just goes to show just how unworkable a multiple site forum can be when fussy posters start being bureaucratic about thread locations (usually as a thinly disguised attempt to unsettle posters they don't like very much). The forum name would need to be changed too from Deep Purple Fan forum to 'Needle in a Haystack' Fan Forum.

Discussions progress - that is the nature of the beast. A thread's home is where the thread starter intended it to be for ease of access to other posters and because posters soon get to know where particular posters tend to put up their threads. Most of us have a preferred 'home' site they visit most often and that's where they're associated with putting their threads. In my case, it is really only two: The DP forum and RRR site. If other readers and posters don't like where it is located or what the thread is about there is one very simple solution - don't open it or don't contribute to it.

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So much so that I'm now convinced that you are Rezi.




Good, that saves me a lot of time. emoticon
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Wott: If there were dozens of thread move suggestions here every day, there would be some truth about your theory. But there aren't. As I said, I did three thread move suggestions here, during a time I wrote over 900 entries, so I deny that this is as big a problem as you're trying to describe.

Rezi: Judging from your entry, I assume that you think me being able to answer my questions myself. So here we go:

1. Yes, I will perhaps do thread move suggestions in the future. In case I think it to be useful, not at every occasion at which it could be imaginable. (So I leave out that strange new thread titled "Deep Purple" in the General discussions section which for me is clearly off topic. I saw you have posted something there, so I think you have already made a decision about what to do with this thread.)

2. Considering the experiences with the "Child In Mime" thread, I will put thread move suggestions in the News & Feedback section insted of using the respective threds themselves.

3. As you said nothing about this, I assume that your point of view concerning the thread opener's role is similar to mine.
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Wott: If there were dozens of thread move suggestions here every day, there would be some truth about your theory. But there aren't. As I said, I did three thread move suggestions here, during a time I wrote over 900 entries, so I deny that this is as big a problem as you're trying to describe.

Rezi: Judging from your entry, I assume that you think me being able to answer my questions myself. So here we go:

1. Yes, I will perhaps do thread move suggestions in the future. In case I think it to be useful, not at every occasion at which it could be imaginable. (So I leave out that strange new thread titled "Deep Purple" in the General discussions section which for me is clearly off topic. I saw you have posted something there, so I think you have already made a decision about what to do with this thread.)

2. Considering the experiences with the "Child In Mime" thread, I will put thread move suggestions in the News & Feedback section insted of using the respective threds themselves.

3. As you said nothing about this, I assume that your point of view concerning the thread opener's role is similar to mine.



What theory? It was your approach I was commenting on, not mine. You say that there are few thread moves but that's because your ideas haven't been widely adopted by Rezi. But if they were, and you spent all of your time trawling the site for deviations from topic matters Rezi would be spending all day moving threads.

How could you possibly conceive that more thread move suggestions is a good use of your time? Haven't you got anything better to do? If that is what you are planning, I suggest that your amibition in life is to be the biggest pain in the butt ever to walk the earth.

(a) you leave the forum for good. Clearly it is hugely painful/torturous for you to see a thread deviate from the on-topic opening post responses or hate to see a thread title that doesn't appear to fit into your obsessive 'neat' 'orderliness' or where it should go.

(b) Go to a doctor to check out whether you're suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Do you wash you hands 100 times per day too?
 
(c) apply to be a moderator where you can legimately exercise your cyber-cop instincts without annoying the hell out of other posters who are trying to discuss, amuse or analyse on matters to do with music or other stuff.

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What theory?


Your theory that thread moving "leads to all kinds of abuses against certain posters because it concedes to 'troll' preferences to try to ruin their threads".

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You say that there are few thread moves but that's because your ideas haven't been widely adopted by Rezi.


Nonsense. There were few thread moves because there were few reasons for them. Once again (and for the last time now), I did three such suggestions during the whole time I spent here.

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But if they were, and you spent all of your time trawling the site for deviations from topic matters Rezi would be spending all day moving threads.


You're talking about something I don't intend to do and clearly indicated that I don't intend to do. Whom do you think you can convince with assumptions like that, without any substance and contradicting with things I clearly said?

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How could you possibly conceive that more thread move suggestions is a good use of your time? Haven't you got anything better to do? If that is what you are planning, I suggest that your amibition in life is to be the biggest pain in the butt ever to walk the earth.


See above. "Haven't you got anything better to do" ... "to be the biggest pain in the butt ever to walk the earth" ... pure fantasy. Your speculations about my intentions are getting more and more absurd.

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(a) you leave the forum for good.


Now it gets really silly. You don't have to tell me to leave this board, and you know that as well as me. This is not your board, although you behave as if it was. If it was your board, with you deciding how it is to be used and how people who do harmless suggestions are to be treated, I would have left it very quickly.

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(b) Go to a doctor to check out whether you're suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Do you wash you hands 100 times per day too?


You needn't worry about my health. It's amusing to see what assumptions you derive from such a simple thing like a thread move suggestion. And once again: It wouldn't have been a problem for me at all if Rezi had decided against my suggestion. The person who has a problem about the thread being located here or there is you, not me.
 
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(c) apply to be a moderator where you can legimately exercise your cyber-cop instincts without annoying the hell out of other posters who are trying to discuss, amuse or analyse on matters to do with music or other stuff.


Thanks, but no interest. I'm already doing moderation work at another forum, I needn't do that here too. And concerning the question about who is "annoying the hell out of other posters" I find it interesting to read other people's reactions to your thread openings. And as long as it's a hardly recognizeable minority who has a problem with my board participation I don't spent any thoughts about "leaving this forum for good" and whatever. I had very interesting discussions here, with people who have different opinions about Deep Purple's music than me, and I certainly won't ask you whether I'm allowed to continue these discussions.

Finally, I'm no longer content to put up with arguments which aren't based on verifyable facts but on substanceless assumptions about my intentions, my desires, my board philosophy, my health or whatever. The load of fantasy you derive from my simple suggestion and my explanations about that clearly indicates that you don't know me, and also that you don't know how (un-)important this board is for me. There are more important things in life than Deep Purple's music or the structure of a Deep Purple Fan Forum - for me at least.


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What theory?


(un-)important this board is for me. There are more important things in life than Deep Purple's music or the structure of a Deep Purple Fan Forum - for me at least.



Why, then, did you start this thread at all? Why did you make a suggestions about where my thread should be located? Why did you say that you would be making more suggestions in future?

Funny behaviour from someone who doesn't care about the forum. God knows what would have happened if you had cared.

It seems to me that you just deny everything when you've been rumbled for the contradictory nonsense that you write.

 



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Wott wrote:

What theory?


(un-)important this board is for me. There are more important things in life than Deep Purple's music or the structure of a Deep Purple Fan Forum - for me at least.



Why, then, did you start this thread at all?


To get some simple questions answered by the board staff. (And to put some life blood to this forum, according to your understanding of the thread opener's role. emoticon )

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Why did you make a suggestions about where my thread should be located?


I already explained that.

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Why did you say that you would be making more suggestions in future?


As Rezi didn't answer my questions, I answered them myself. (To be precise, I said that I would perhaps do more suggestions. If there's no reasonable occasion, I'll do no suggestions - in opposite to your strange assumptions my peace of mind isn't dependent on complaining about wrongly located threads every day.)

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Funny behaviour from someone who doesn't care about the forum.


I didn't say that I don't care. If I wouldn't care at all, I wouldn't be here. I do care about this forum because I'm a fan of Deep Purple's music from previous decades, but there are many other things in my life which are more important. There isn't just black and white, just zero and infinity, there is something in between.

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It seems to me (...)


Yes, I know. Your whole argumentation is built on things that seem to you rather than facts.


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Rezi: Judging from your entry, I assume that you think me being able to answer my questions myself. So here we go:




Yeah, good points by you and others here.

Unlike Wott seems to think, it (moving threads) is not a punishment. I do admit that mainly because I've been busy, this activity has not been consistent.
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Rezi: Judging from your entry, I assume that you think me being able to answer my questions myself. So here we go:




Yeah, good points by you and others here.

Unlike Wott seems to think, it (moving threads) is not a punishment. I do admit that mainly because I've been busy, this activity has not been consistent.



You can say that again!


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