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I think this style and atmosphere was on his mind to various degrees since the late 60's. He liked the loud and orchestrated (sp again) music but liked to change up with some blues or something that was played a lot (like a movie title song or even a part of a commercial) for contrast and fun for all. When Lord joined up you could hear the classical influences in some songs. He also threw classical, broadway musical, and a silly piece like the 'Popeye' theme song as well when he took a solo by himself. On top of that RB would go off on a solo (with the rest of the band hanging back like for Jon) during a concert that didn't seem to fit the venue. What he was playing (usually finger picking) then was the beginnings of what BN is today. I think that was part of the problem of the infighting with DP. Jon played many styles and all very well and the classical thing was in there too. Of course they way they were touring and recording back in those days I can see why they got on each others nerves! Starting with Burn you could hear the change taking place big time. And in Rainbow you couldn't have missed it unless you were a hockey referee. emoticon I'm taking a guess this was one of the reasons (but not the only one and not the biggest) the turnover of people in his bands was so often. They couldn't catch his vision and I don't think he had a clear vision of that either at that point but it was in his blood so to speak and the passion for that music was growing ever so slowly over the years. Now he has a chance to do that.
Lastly, for the longest time (especially the mid 90's Rainbow)I felt he wanted a female vocalist in a band. That seemed like the only thing he didn't try over the years and now he has chance to do just that. My wife and I kinda wondered how things might have been if Benatar or someone like that was part of his band. It's fun to think about......
Finally, (so much for the previous 'lastly') he is getting a long in tooth. His demeaner on stage seems to match his age and he' not trying to act/play like an 18 year old person. Not that it's wrong for the 18 year old to act like one but it would look out of place for him at this stage in his life and the critics would have a field day! emoticon
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Finally, (so much for the previous 'lastly') he is getting a long in tooth. His demeaner on stage seems to match his age and he' not trying to act/play like an 18 year old person. Not that it's wrong for the 18 year old to act like one but it would look out of place for him at this stage in his life and the critics would have a field day! emoticon


 To add to what you have said. Any musician or artist with integrity is always looking to better himself and look for challenges. It just doesn't seem right that a man his age, or mine for that matter should be dancin around a stage to basic RnR anymore. I've done it before and Ritchie formed BN at just the right time. It would look rather silly for him to be smashing Strats these days and still trying to breath fresh life into Smoke On The Water. Cheers to Ritchie for taking an incredible chance by moving forward and doing what he reaaly loves at the moment and when he does pick up his Strat, it's because he is inspired to do so and not because he has to anymore.
 I still love Dios voice, but I've really had enough of the basic heavy metal rubbish that he's singing over these days. There is no substance to it anymore. He would be better suited to bring it down a notch and start singing again, maybe to some bluesier beat like Coverdale has. I thought it a bit embarrassing when RB put together Rainbow again and here was a singer doing all of the same silly cock rock stances and moves that we've seen all along and I was just tired of it.
 I do still love old DP and Rainbow, but need something like BN to offset it.


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It just doesn't seem right that a man his age, or mine for that matter should be dancin around a stage to basic RnR anymore. I've done it before



Brian, when was that you've " done it before". Are we talking "playing guitar to an audience here while "dancin around a stage" I'm confused.

I understood you didn't play in public and in fact to quote your own web site, "played for nobody at all", or have you actually transmogrified into Ritchie Blackmore since the web site was written, viz:-

"I've recently taken up learning to make a racket on the guitar and own both of Ritchie's Fender Signature Strats. The limited edition '97' model and Fender's Custom Shop model. I try to play mostly in Ritchie's style. No other guitarist has inspired me to even pick up a guitar. If you think that's narrow minded, your'e right, and I don't care.
My dream of being a guitar player who plays for nobody and records for no one"


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There is an excellent article about 1997, the crucial year in last MBTP...
The year RB took the decision to move on for something different.

I think it was a natural move. As stated before, we could find clues in his career : songs like 16th, TOTK or even Stargazer in a way, and it's known he knew The Geyers since middle 80s, also I think he was playing this kind of music at home. So as soon as he found someone to sing his melodies, it was clear that nothing could divert him from his aim.

However, I totally disagree about his unability to play loud rock'n'roll. I wouldn't want him to do extensive hard-rock tour but he could easily do some dates.
I believe Ritchie still has a huge rock'n'roll fans base who would follow him.

The problem is not the past but the future. Carriyng this way will lead BN to gradually lose their fans, to finally only play for very die hard BN fans, as their music is now difficulty fresh and new.
Ritchie is nearly 60 and , unhappily I don't see him coming back to rock'n'roll, he likes what he plays and while financially it'll be possible, he won't change. It is not the same about Candice, she has her own career to establish and one day or another she'll have to choose.

It's not being unfair to bring BN into question. It was fresh and very good from 97 to 2002 but now, I am more indecisive.

So where is all that going ?

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a)However, I totally disagree about his unability to play loud rock'n'roll. I wouldn't want him to do extensive hard-rock tour but he could easily do some dates.
I believe Ritchie still has a huge rock'n'roll fans base who would follow him.

b)The problem is not the past but the future. Carriyng this way will lead BN to gradually lose their fans, to finally only play for very die hard BN fans, as their music is now difficulty fresh and new.
Ritchie is nearly 60 and , unhappily I don't see him coming back to rock'n'roll, he likes what he plays and while financially it'll be possible, he won't change.

c)It is not the same about Candice, she has her own career to establish and one day or another she'll have to choose.

d)It's not being unfair to bring BN into question. It was fresh and very good from 97 to 2002 but now, I am more indecisive.

So where is all that going ?




I agree with ALL you've said and it's well put.

a) THis I'm not certian about this. RItchie rarely plays electric now and when he does it all has a very "samey" sound. He plays the same runs time in and time out, sure there is some variation, but it's not really very inspired anymore. SOme nights his playing is very average others it's very good. Personally I think he has a problem with his hands or wrists which varies day to day and it effects his playing ability. I think for this reason he will not return to rock again.

b) The fan base has been eroding since BN began. Just look at the way the record company describes the sales of CD. For the early CD's they give figures, numbers, for each new release it becomes more and more vague. This is purely to disguise falling CD sales volumes. THye put a brave face on it. The latest CD will be a flop in sales terms, nver mind musical terms. The hard core audience will support whatever Ritchie does but there are just not enough of them to make it financially viable. The band, BN, demand a sizable feee and guaranteeed money for performances which means that they have to draw enough paying tickets to cover their fees and ALL the promoters costs. Currently I don't beleive this happens at 8 out of 10 shows, certainly in the UK there is no way it happened last year. So you are right eventually it will die of natural causes.

c) Without Ritchie, Candice has NO career, her vocal talent is NOT sufficient to carry her. For a while she might survive as the partner of the late Mr BLackmore( when that sad time comes ), but when his magic is gone, she's totally finished. RItchie has to either leave her a lot in his will or make sure she will have a back catalogue to take her into the future. NO solo project by Candice alone, without Ritchie, has a hope in hell of doing anything. Nobody here would ever have heard of Candice or be even faintly interested in her without her connection to Ritchie, and no matter how much sh1t is written here about how wonderful she might be, that is an unescapable FACT. No Ritchie means No Candice, period.

d) I really liked the BN material and still think there are some terrific songs in there and I've loved the live shows. However, they have totally lsot the impetous and direction. THere is often a problem with acoustic tunes. The problem is it's very hard to make one sound different from another. For a while BN had done this, but now they are all starting to sound very much the same as each other. Again Ritchie is starting to play the same runs, the sames breaks, the sam elicks, the same patterns that have all featured in earlier songs. There is NO denying it, try as some here might. THe fact is the project is running out of steam.

Where are we going from here ?

Personally I'd like to hope that Ritchie will retire gracefully while he is still at the top of his game with the BN material. I fear it is much more likely that he will continue to tour and record as it all slowly unravells behind him. Then, as is so common, he'll be rememberedbadly only for those years when he was in decline rather than ALL the years when he brought us all something akin to pure magic.
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I have felt better about BN with each release,it wares off a bit after a while,but listening to each album for the first time,was "akin to pure magic" for me,especially GOAR...and I wasn't expecting it to do that, priming myself with "All For One" for a time before it came out.
I guess you guys can only expect so much from this type of music project. emoticon
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I have felt better about BN with each release,it wares off a bit after a while,but listening to each album for the first time,was "akin to pure magic" for me,especially GOAR...and I wasn't expecting it to do that, priming myself with "All For One" for a time before it came out.
I guess you guys can only expect so much from this type of music project. emoticon



Unusually ...........
I'd have to agree with ALL of that entirely and well put.
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It just doesn't seem right that a man his age, or mine for that matter should be dancin around a stage to basic RnR anymore. I've done it before



Brian, when was that you've " done it before". Are we talking "playing guitar to an audience here while "dancin around a stage" I'm confused.

I understood you didn't play in public and in fact to quote your own web site, "played for nobody at all", or have you actually transmogrified into Ritchie Blackmore since the web site was written, viz:-

"I've recently taken up learning to make a racket on the guitar and own both of Ritchie's Fender Signature Strats. The limited edition '97' model and Fender's Custom Shop model. I try to play mostly in Ritchie's style. No other guitarist has inspired me to even pick up a guitar. If you think that's narrow minded, your'e right, and I don't care.
My dream of being a guitar player who plays for nobody and records for no one"



End the confusion. Sorry..coh ..are you alright? No..That was a typo. I meant to say that I've said
it before.
 To this day I still have done nothing more than scare the cat, annoy the neighbors and get funny looks from the kid when I play


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Unusually ...........
I'd have to agree with ALL of that entirely and well put.




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I have felt better about BN with each release,it wares off a bit after a while,but listening to each album for the first time,was "akin to pure magic" for me,especially GOAR...and I wasn't expecting it to do that, priming myself with "All For One" for a time before it came out.
I guess you guys can only expect so much from this type of music project. emoticon



Do I expect too much from this music project or from Blackmore ?!
I don't know.

It's strange because I want it to stay Blackmore's night and not Candice's night as I suspect it's going to be. I mean , I still wants solos and not only Blackmore doodling during verses and chorus.

He told in interviews he wanted now to be backwards as he thought the band was well established, so he had not to stay anymore in the spotlights...I can only regret that.

I'll stay a BN follower but I'll certainly not make so many efforts than previously.

In the end, I think I just have difficulties to accept my fave guitarist ever is quietly retiring ...
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