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Maybe coherence isn't the real [sign in to see URL] a typical MkII elitist who feels threatened by anyone putting down/downgrading their "holy grail" of music,so to [sign in to see URL] so,it's high time you got over yourself and just accepted that we all have different opinions of the same music-your opinion I respect and I don't start tossing around "provocative" statements just to [sign in to see URL] you or anyone else [sign in to see URL] bloated sense of self-importance and righteous you display makes me feel badly for [sign in to see URL] will get better,Al-if not,seek professional help [sign in to see URL].! emoticon CHEERS and have a bright,sunshiny day!



Anyone who disagrees with you need professional help. You must be a shrink. emoticon

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I said "Let's remain coherent". If you consider that as an insult, your everyday life must be hell.



Now you're being sneaky and grumpy at the same time.
And my everyday life is quite heavenly, I assure you. I'm not easily offended, I just thought your rudeness was unnecessary and uncalled for.

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Al Erikson wrote: My first reply was meant to say I think what you expressed as your opinion in a definitely and purposely provocative statement is crap. I repeat it. Sue me.



Just lay off the offended posture, will you?
It's getting really boring. You're feeling "purposely offended" by a statement that was part jest, I give you that, but only in the sense that I know that some things cannot be spoken of, according to some of the MkII faithful. And that's something in can never accept. It's you who's being touchy and all upset, not me.

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Al Erikson wrote: Now, your real opinion which you expressed later on with more nuance wouldn't get the same comment from me.



Well, that's a relief...

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Al Erikson wrote: I would even tend to agree with it. But being fed up with DP playing MH tracks again & again doesn't mean it's an "overrated album". Rather an "overexploited" album...



I think it's both..

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 Regarding the "Machine Head" sub-topic here:
 ..."When A Blind Man Cries" (I know, I know - the latter wasn't on the original release of "Machine Head" but ever since I first heard it on the "MkI & MkII" German compilation in '73 or '74...)



 Response to an email I received that was titled "Correction" & that stated the following:
"mkI & mkII was released in 1976."
 
 My response as follows:
 No correction necessary, thank you very much, as, well - ahem - no it wasn't.
 It was first released as a 2 lp set in Germany in December '73, Belgium & the Netherlands in '73; then as a 2 lp set in
France in January '74, Italy in February '74, the UK &
Sweden also sometime in '74.
 I don't recall exactly what month in '73 or '74 (personally, I'm leaning more towards sometime in '74) I acquired "MkI & MkII" as an import at Rockit Records in Saugus, Massachusetts - but it most definitely was well before 1976.

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I'm not a shrink and again Al,maybe you should take the time to read and comprehend a post before responding.I have no desire for you to agree or disagree with my [sign in to see URL] just don't get it! emoticon CHEERS
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I actually find MH to be rather dull,plodding and almost dare i say boring!It just sounds so manufactured and sterile to my ears and has no real sparkle to it



When comes down to songwriting, I think MH is perhaps he best album DP ever made, along with WDWTWA and Stormbringer. Sparkling studio performances aside, that is. Songwriting is an aspect that counts, too.
In that perticular aspect, I find Never Before to top my list of best DP songs. It's just so well written that little tune! A perfect meliodic blend of simplicity and extravaganceOne can hear it's meant to be a single, but it's not immense enough to do good on the charts.
Also Pictures Of Home is a neat tune. Highway Star too, sparkling perfomances still aside for now. Smoke on The Water is a brilliant example of how sticking to basics and stay there add the univeral element to it.

changing to next sub-topic:
CTTB is the most fresh sounding album since In Rock, methinks.


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The studio version of Perfect Strangers is one of those songs that are plain perfect as it is to my ears. (Brothers In Arms being another example). Therefor I agree PS need a redo live - otherwise it cannot stand up to the original anyway. Morse do this brilliantly I think, he adds things that has always been there in some way, it just hasn't been played before. Another example of great sonmgwriting, by the way.

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I said "Let's remain coherent". If you consider that as an insult, your everyday life must be hell.



Now you're being sneaky and grumpy at the same time.
And my everyday life is quite heavenly, I assure you. I'm not easily offended, I just thought your rudeness was unnecessary and uncalled for.

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Al Erikson wrote: My first reply was meant to say I think what you expressed as your opinion in a definitely and purposely provocative statement is crap. I repeat it. Sue me.



Just lay off the offended posture, will you?
It's getting really boring. You're feeling "purposely offended" by a statement that was part jest, I give you that, but only in the sense that I know that some things cannot be spoken of, according to some of the MkII faithful. And that's something in can never accept. It's you who's being touchy and all upset, not me.

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Al Erikson wrote: Now, your real opinion which you expressed later on with more nuance wouldn't get the same comment from me.



Well, that's a relief...

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Al Erikson wrote: I would even tend to agree with it. But being fed up with DP playing MH tracks again & again doesn't mean it's an "overrated album". Rather an "overexploited" album...



I think it's both..




To Boulder Bolin and Heimdall: this is getting childish. Don't moralize me like I am a 12 years old kid and don't pretend to believe your posts expressing opinions on a topic like Deep Purple offended me. It's not because I replied in a straight way to your provocative statement that anybody has to feel offended. I just don't like to be called "rude" when I am not. You don't want to have me being rude. Believe me.

Now on topic: I don't want to blame Morse for the set-list of current MkVIII concerts. But it's a fact that, added to Gillan's voice which doesn't really fit old Purple material nowadays, Morse's playing (while being technically impressive) gives me the feeling I'm listening to the same song over and over. Even "Mary Long" by MkVII (or was it MkVIII?) sounded... disappointing. The worst thing is that it keeps me away from listening again to MH. Still, I do think it is an incredible album which really marked its time. And like any "historical" albums, it might be overrated or overrexploited by some. But it is not to me, because there are very good objective reasons to consider it as a cornerstone of the hard rock genre. Now, I don't really see MkII(a) album separately from each other, but rather as a whole.

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 Regarding the "Machine Head" sub-topic here:
 I too held "Machine Head" in fairly low regard as far as DP's studio albums <snip>
 All of that changed for me when I first filled my ears with the Anniversary Edition of "Machine Head" that included the stellar remixes that Roger Glover did of the entire album. Talk about breathing new life into and adding a lustrous, gleaming sparkle & shine!!! My God - it was like hearing a nearly altogether different album from the original!



I only bought the remastered anniversary edition for completist reasons, I'm going to go back and really listen to it now. Maybe I'll reevaluate the whole album?

Thanks!
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 All of that changed for me when I first filled my ears with the Anniversary Edition of "Machine Head" that included the stellar remixes that Roger Glover did of the entire album. Talk about breathing new life into and adding a lustrous, gleaming sparkle & shine!!! My God - it was like hearing a nearly altogether different album from the original!



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 I only bought the remastered anniversary edition for completist reasons, I'm going to go back and really listen to it now. Maybe I'll reevaluate the whole album?



 I suggest giving 'extra' listening attention to the 'Glover Remixes' disc.
 I'll be quite surprised if you don't feel like you're hearing the "MH" tracks for the first time, and (in my non-humble opinion) hearing those tracks the way they should've sounded - from a mixing standpoint - in 1972.

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 Thanks!



 You're quite welcome, Heimdall.

 On topic (and my apologies to the topic author for the digressions):
 I like Morse's way of playing "Perfect Strangers". Do I like it more than the 1984 studio lp version? [sign in to see URL] Morse played it exactly like the studio version, well I'd be just as well off listening to the 1984 studio version, wouldn't I? Do I like it more than the live versions I've heard that were done by DP when Blackmore was with DP? I like it more than some of those versions, less than some of those versions & as much as some of those versions.
 I guess the thing about it to me is that Morse's way of playing it is certainly different, which doesn't necessarily make it 'good', 'bad' 'better' or 'worse' to [sign in to see URL] different. And it's all down to each listener's subjective opinion(s) anyway, innit?

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To Boulder Bolin and Heimdall: this is getting childish. Don't moralize me like I am a 12 years old kid



You're really worked about this, aren't you? What's your big problem? I think MH i s overrated, you can't handle it and start being offensive -I'm incoherent, don't understand English, am "pretending" etc. If MH is so precious to you that you explode if it gets critized, then why don't you just come right out and say so instead of all this aggro. I promise I won't mention it ever again, I don't want to be responsible for you ending up in intensive care.

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Al Erikson wrote: and don't pretend to believe your posts expressing opinions on a topic like Deep Purple offended me.



Well, you really give a pretty good impression of someone who is majorly offended.

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Al Erikson wrote: It's not because I replied in a straight way to your provocative statement that anybody has to feel offended. I just don't like to be called "rude" when I am not.



So you think you're just being polite when you call people incoherent, imply that their education is lacking, and that they're just "pretending" to hold the views that they state? Oh my.

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Al Erikson wrote: You don't want to have me being rude. Believe me.



Oh, don't be so modest, just flame away. I'm really excited about finding out how scary you can get. I might get hurt.

Seriously, c'mon. Calm down. I know you can do better. I know you're a very knowledgeable DP fan and I usually appreciate your input.

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Al Erikson wrote: Now on topic: I don't want to blame Morse for the set-list of current MkVIII concerts.



My impression is that the setlists originate from IG these days.

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Al Erikson wrote: But it's a fact that, added to Gillan's voice which doesn't really fit old Purple material nowadays,



Agreed.

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Al Erikson wrote: Morse's playing (while being technically impressive) gives me the feeling I'm listening to the same song over and over.



Exactly. See, there are things we agree on! Shall we call the MH discussion off, and try to get on?

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Al Erikson wrote: Even "Mary Long" by MkVII (or was it MkVIII?) sounded... disappointing. The worst thing is that it keeps me away from listening again to MH. Still, I do think it is an incredible album which really marked its time. And like any "historical" albums, it might be overrated or overrexploited by some.



Agreed.

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Al Erikson wrote: But it is not to me, because there are very good objective reasons to consider it as a cornerstone of the hard rock genre. Now, I don't really see MkII(a) album separately from each other, but rather as a whole.



I'm really glad you like MH so much, and I hope it brings you a lot of listening pleasure. I also agree that it's a historic album, there's no doubt about that.



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 I suggest giving 'extra' listening attention to the 'Glover Remixes' disc.
 I'll be quite surprised if you don't feel like you're hearing the "MH" tracks for the first time, and (in my non-humble opinion) hearing those tracks the way they should've sounded - from a mixing standpoint - in 1972.
 



I must confess I never listened to disc 2, I thought it a bit gimmicky and unnecessary (and I don't care much for RG:s studio work in the past).

However, I'd be more than happy to be wrong about this. Thanks for the inspiration. I'll reencode the whole thing in Apple Lossless and put in my iPhone. I'll be back with comments (hopefully not too unorthodox)! ;-)

On topic:

While I vastly prefer RB:s darker, unpredictable playing on PS (when he was bothered!) I actually think that SM does a pretty good job on it, one of the few RB songs he handles quite well (as opposed to Fools, which I think he murders). If only he could stop the whammy bar stuff, which irritates me a lot.


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