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When did they find out?


Did Rod and Nick know they were going to be fired from the band before or after their final DP concert? It's never made clear in anything I've ever read about DP. Thanks!
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 From everything I've ever read/heard, I'm pretty sure they weren't formally made aware until sometime after their final gig with Purple on July 4th, 1969 & DPMkII's first official gig on July 10th, 1969. As I think most of us know, Gilan was sort of already hired to succeed Evans in early June (or possibly sooner) and was - at least in the minds of Blackmore, Lord & Paice - Deep Purple's new singer by the time the band got into the studio & recorded "Hallelujah" around June 7 - 10th, 1969, bringing his friend Roger Glover along to present some of the songs they'd co-written to Jon Lord as possible future material for Purple, whereupon Lord invited Glover to play bass at the session, which resulted in the band asking Glover to also join the band.
 Interestingly enough, not only did Purple still have some prior commitments to see out with Evans & Simper through the end of June/beginning of July, but Gillan & Glover also temporarily stayed with (or returned to, depending on how one wishes to look at it or phrase it) Episode Six to see out some of that band's prior commitments through to the last week of July in 1969, some dozen of so gigs, I believe.

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Thanks MrEd45. When it comes to hiring and firing in a Rock Band, Purple would make a good Soap Opera. emoticon
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As interesting as the "soap opera" tendencies were, it is unfortunately this very concept that made it very hard for the average rock music fan to follow the band-- thus killing a lot of the momentum that would have given Purple a much better following.

Most people have no idea that the band that did HUSH is the same band that did SMOKE ON THE WATER.

From a marketing standpoint, this is a huge problem. And just one example that is the tip of the iceberg.

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...and lends a bit to the astonishing fact, that Deep Purple only charted in the US with these tracks at the number 2(Hush) and number 4(SOTW) emoticon

It's a huge irony in the history of rock, how a band or artist can write and record what is easily one of the most popular songs of all time, yet it not even be a number one in this country.(extreme blashpemy!)emoticon

This sums up Deep Purples existence, or non existance in that aspect, to this day.
(what a revealation, there should be a bloody revalution)

Hi John, get in touch please...

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quote:

Crimson Ghost2 wrote:

...and lends a bit to the astonising fact, that Deep Purple only charted in the US with these tracks at the number 2(Hush) and number 4(SOTW) emoticon

It's a huge irony in the history of rock, how a band or artist can write and record what is easily one of the most popular songs of all time, yet it not even be a number one in this country.(extreme blashpemy!)emoticon

This sums up Deep Purples existence, or non existance in that aspect, to this day.
(what a revealation, there should be a bloody revalution)



Actually I believe Hush and SOTW both peaked at #4 on the Billboard charts. While they didn't get to #1 with SOTW, it certainly boosted their profile to make them the largest selling artist of 1973. Quite a feat considering the competition that year.
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 After looking a bit further into this era, it appears that both Gillan & Glover were 'officially' announced as members of DP on July 6th, 1969...if memory serves, I believe both Evans & Simper were quoted as saying that each of them became aware of thier terminations in a pretty 'roundabout' (pun fully intended) way - through 2nd or 3rd hand sources - and had to go & personally confront John Coletta (?) about the situation...it was then that they (Evans & Simper) were both informed that all 'personell' matters within the band were to be handled by the band members themselves, usually by a 'majority rules' system of voting & that in this case, they'd been voted out, 3 - 2.

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 According to John Coletta:

"Somewhere in the midwest (of the U.S., presumedly) I get a call from Ian (Paice) & Jon (Lord) saying they wanted an urgent meeting with me. In the bedroom there's Ritchie, Jon & Ian sitting there with long faces and they say they've had enough - they'd decided Rod wasn't cutting it and they wanted Nick out, too. You can imagine this (relatively) new manager, still green behind the ears, still trying to learn as much as he could as he went along, and suddenly this happens...I told them, 'Well, lads, you can't do it now because we're in the middle of a tour & we have to finish it.'
 The rest of the tour, about 15 gigs, was hell. Even though the rest hadn't told Rod & Nick, there was still a split in the camp. I told them they couldn't tell the other 2 what was going to happen in case they walked out on us and really left us in the !@#$...the bad vibes were awful."
 
 When Deep Purple returned to England - while John Coletta remained in New York to work out the tour accounts with the group's U.S. booking agency - Rod Evans & Nick Simper played a further 7 dates with Deep Purple while the Blackmore/Lord/Paice faction maintained a discreet silence regarding the duo's impending departures, (as it turned out) Evans & Simper played thier last gig with Deep Purple on July 4th, 1969 at the Top Rank Ballroom in Cardiff...
 During this time frame, DP had met with & invited Ian Gillan of Episode Six to join DP as lead vocalist, at the same time asking him if he knew any good bass guitarists - he did, his fellow Episode Six bandmate, Roger Glover. Both played on & recorded the single "Hallelujah" in early June with Blackmore, Lord & Paice...
 John Coletta again picks up the story:
"Unbeknownst to me they had gone into the studio to record a single with a new singer called Ian Gillan & a bass player Ian had brought along. I got back to find a writ on my desk from someone called Gloria Bristow accusing me of poaching two of her musicians. I didn't even know who Ian Gillan & Roger Glover were at that point! I'd been back about two days when Nick's Jaguararrives outside my house in Brighton and Rod & Nick gave me the whole bit - blam, blam, blam. I took them to dinner and explained to them that the other three had made the decision and I couldn't do anything about it. I didn't have the right to hire & fire musicians, that was the band's job. They'd always agreed that it would be a majority decision, and it was, three against two."
 Just to finish up, the assimilation of Gillan & Glover into DP's ranks was accomplished with a bit of further acrimony...the dispute between the managements of Deep Purple & Episode Six was settled out of court with a 3,000 pound payment being made to Gloria Bristow, whom allegedly used the money to launch a new group she was involved with, Quatermass, featuring Mick Underwood on drums, Peter Robinson on guitar & John Gustafson on bass.


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