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Sound does not matter to me, as I have technology to re produce anything, if it's not to my liking, and enjoy my own take on it.(a lot of producers don't mix to my liking anyway, I have no problem fixing that, unless it's the Sex Pistols or someone)
It's the material and how it either compliments the name Deep Purple, or not.
That is all I am interested in, good music, by their standards that doesn't disgrace the name, if they can continue to achieve that in the studio, the rest means nothing to me, it's only opinions about things that don't matter much to me, to each their own, but it's really not the point with me. I make music, so I put it all together differently than the average listener anyway, and can't detirmine anything from any other standpoint.(it's not my area of concern)
I think they did alright on Bananas, and the sound is clean to me, so no problem there.

I think some are feeling what I mean, if you're going to argue about it, make it interesting by telling me how the material affects you, songwise, are they up to par on that level, or are these sub standard songs, by their means?
Their current structure is what it is, and you either like that or you don't, but if you're expecting that to change, then you should save your money, it's not going to.

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1) Sound does not matter to me, as I have technology to re produce anything, if it's not to my liking, and enjoy my own take on it.(a lot of producers don't mix to my liking anyway, I have no problem fixing that, unless it's the Sex Pistols or someone)
It's the material and how it either compliments the name Deep Purple, or not.
That is all I am interested in, good music, by their standards that doesn't disgrace the name, if they can continue to achieve that in the studio, the rest means nothing to me, it's only opinions about things that don't matter much to me, to each their own, but it's really not the point with me. I make music, so I put it all together differently than the average listener anyway, and can't detirmine anything from any other standpoint.(it's not my area of concern)
I think they did alright on Bananas, and the sound is clean to me, so no problem there.

I think some are feeling what I mean, if you're going to argue about it, make it interesting by telling me how the material affects you, songwise, are they up to par on that level, or are these sub standard songs, by their means?
Their current structure is what it is, and you either like that or you don't, but if you're expecting that to change, then you should save your money, it's not going to.



1) Unlike you, I don't have the equipment to mix the sound myself, and to me the production matters. You could fx mix a Pink Floyd record to sound so awful that you couldn't stand listening to it, even if the songs are of very high standards.

2) The band do still have good ideas, and on ROTD there are some really good songs. There is promise for the future on that record. To bad that Bradfords production ruins the record completely. The production is so bad I can't stand listening to it anymore, and that's sad 'cause, as I've said, there are some really strong numbers there.



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1.) I have been listening to it for a few days now, and I have to say one thing first;
An album should sound good, and not need any much tweeking to speak of, but if you can make something suit you better that way, it's worth trying with songs you like, but feel were mixed poorly.

This album rocks, swings, and generally delivers in the song department, thats for sure, but there a couple of things I can't hang with that didn't surface on Bananas, not that I prefere it, cause this is more consistantly enjoyable throughout, but this element of "soulsound" is something I hope they forget about letting happen to their recordings in the future, it's too shiny and tiny, making it have no peaks and vallies, just a straight edge that doesn't curve any.
So far thats what I'm feeling about it, and hope they don't continue with this backdrop of mixing, it sounds like they're trying to win over a different audience, who knows what age and ethnic group, and that echos of what Blackmores Night is trying to do with old folks, his neighbors and frinds, whilst annoying their long time supporters, but I guess thats what moving on is all about.

The songs ROTD, Wrong Man, Junkyard Blues are brilliant, followed by Kiss Tomarrow Goodbye, and Clearly Quite Absurd.
Other tracks I like are Money Talks, Before Time Began, and Back To Back.
I don't know what to make of MTV and Don't Let Go, and feel they could be replaced with something with more power and sass, but aren't complete throw aways.
All in all, I like it, but it's got a wooden sound, and hopefully I can make due by making some adjustments.
I think it has to do with not sticking around to make sure that the producer didn't try to make it danceworthy so much, this is not something you do with a band that is of the complete opposite nature, cause it tends to make them sound weak powerless and infiltrated.

So it's not just the production here, it's also the direction, which I can tell is from misplaced trust, after the fact, when someone should have atleast proofed it before it got released, by maybe hanging out a litle longer, to make sure it didn't go as far as almost thought of as a Bradford/Purple album, cause his style is there way more than on Bananas, and didn't he co write some of those songs, but still not take away their traditional sound for the most part, compared to ROTD?

2.)Yes, you can make a Pink Floyd album sound bad, but they never could, as they were flawlessly produced, especially starting with DSOTM, through to the end.
You should see what a live Pink Floyd recording does on the mixer board light display, you could stretch out the light panel clear across the board, and it would still light up all the way to the end, their sound is that open.
The problem with them IMO is the songs aren't consistantly high standard, except on maybe 5 albums of their very large catalog.

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For me its not so much individual tracks. Its the album and how it gells together as a whole.

I suppose, a bit like a work of art like a painting. Pick one of the individual strokes and highlight how roughly shaped it is, or stand back and look at the thing as a whole to see how it all gells together and combine to create a work of art or picture.

For me it is similar, in that I wouldn't say any of the tracks are better than other albums, its the way I can listen to the whole album from start to finish and each track flows into the next. I like the whole rather than individual bits.


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I can see thats a factor, but I only attribute that to the mix, which was done afterward, and may not have come out anywhere near the same as they intended, had somebody else done it, no matter how good or bad it is.
It's also something that seems to muddy things up for the most part, for me.
I don't prefere to dance to rock music, nor funky music for that matter, but it's obvious that someone involved, does, and it's evident in many ways.(almost dj style)

This album does one very good thing for me, besides feeling it's very progressive, but probably seen as something else, like commercially driven.
Like Bananas, it has me confident in the next one, which I am also feeling sure there will be one.
If the overall concept and approach doesn't work for some, there is no reason to belittle their legacy over it, some just can't handle the taste of contemporary ideas creeping into an old band, at any rate.
But I wouldn't have bought it, if that was my mindset, in fact, I wouldn't have bought Perfect Strangers either, for that matter, nor any album after mkI.

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1. I only attribute that to the mix, which was done afterward, and may not have come out anywhere near the same as they intended, had somebody else done it, no matter how good or bad it is.

[sign in to see URL]'s also something that seems to muddy things up for the most part, for me.
I don't prefere to dance to rock music, nor funky music for that matter, but it's obvious that someone involved, does, and it's evident in many ways.(almost dj style)



1. I'm not keen on the mix meself. I'd have preferred RG

2. Can't say I've noticed that particular trait meself. Although if you can hear it then fair enough, that's a definite. Bearing in mind I have a cloth ears filter which maybe filters out that aspect emoticon


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Fair enough, glad to see someone likes it, and glad to be someone who isn't turned off by it.

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What's so bad about it? Not much. Just shades Purpendicular as my favourite Morse-era album. A bang-on return to form.

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When I read the comments from all you people not enjoying the production of ROTD, I'm left more or less speachless. I don't know how to argue. But I kinda wish I could lend you not my equipment, cos that would probably not make much difference, but my ears for one day. Then you could all enjoy the experience of hearing the album the way it's supposed to be heard: A fantastic sounding Deep Purple album with absolutely nothing wrong when comes to production or anything else.

The only thing I can say I don't like just as it is, wil have to be When Time Began. I would prefer that song to keep going for another five minutes.

The sound production is exactly the way I like it on an album like this. Too bad it's not to everybodys taste.


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I remember comparing ROTD to Journeys latest in late 2005 at a Borders listening station, and I was so glad ROTD sounded like it did; and not the "over polished sound" Journey went with. But that's what happens when you borrow Atle's ears. emoticon
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