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Whats so bad about it?


Knock yourselves out, we must be talking about a real clunker here, according to some of the outlandish remarks about it, is it really so bad, and if so, why?
It's Deep Purple for crying out loud, what could be the problem?
This is my chance to either be warned, or encouraged to buy it.

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Knock yourselves out, we must be talking about a real clunker here, according to some of the outlandish remarks about it, is it really so bad, and if so, why?
It's Deep Purple for crying out loud, what could be the problem?
This is my chance to either be warned, or encouraged to buy it.



Nah, let's just say, it falls in someones [sign in to see URL] the opposite.

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1) The biggest problem with ROTD is the production. It's flat, it's distorted at times, it feels as if they recorded it in a living room. It's got no selectivity. Well produced albums sound "dynamic" - in the mix of ROTD nothing happens, and I mean NOTHING. Someone may say "that's because it's raw". No, it's not raw. It's badly produced. "In Rock" is probably the greatest sample of how a "raw" album should sound. ROTD comes nowhere close.
2) Probably the most important thing in mixing a track is to mix the drums. Will it be a surprise if I say that ROTD has the most awful sound of Ian Paice's snare ever recorded? NO power. NO POWER. and don't forget we're talking about a hard rock band.
3) Paice himself does little to mend the situation - maybe because the songs on ROTD are mid tempo?
4) On the other hand there aren't any weak tracks...
5) but there are medicore tracks (too many): "Back to Back", "Don't Let Go", "Wrong Man", "Junkyard Blues"
6) there are also "OK" tracks: "Clearly Quite Absurd", "Girls Like That", "Money Talks"
7) and finaly there are four great tracks (of course not production-wise): the title track, "Before Time...", "Kiss Tomorrow..." and "MTV".

To sum up: if the album was handled by, let's say, Daniel Lanois it would be a good DP record. Not very good (to many medicore tracks, "ok" tracks - they don't send shivers down your spine), and certainly not great. It would be only a good album of old tricks from a dinosaur rock band (i must sadly admit it).
What we have is a bunch of various rock songs sounding bad. It makes a medicore cd. One of the low points in post-reunion purple story.
The band is moving nowhere.
So I'm still waiting to hear a DP song-based material. Not the "let's go to the studio, jam and maybe something will happen" attitude.
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Aredel, are your comments regarding the production personal ones or are you knowledgable on the latest music production techniques?

I certainly haven't found my copy "distorted"

Michael Bradfords studio is in his home so you're probably right in your comment about it being recorded in a living room but, how does the overall production compare with other artists he is involved with? Is it his "signature" drum sound, for example? I'm not familiar with other albums he's done so I can't comment.

The members of the band must have been happy with his handling of their "sound" having him produce two albums.

Some of the songs are perhaps not to everyone's taste - I think I'm the only person who doesn't get Before Time Began - but that's a purely personal thing.

As a keyboard player I'm still getting used to Don's slightly different drawbar settings for the Hammond but, on the whole, I think it's a great album and play it regularly.


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Aredel, are your comments regarding the production personal ones or are you knowledgable on the latest music production techniques?

1) I certainly haven't found my copy "distorted"

2) Michael Bradfords studio is in his home so you're probably right in your comment about it being recorded in a living room but, how does the overall production compare with other artists he is involved with? Is it his "signature" drum sound, for example? I'm not familiar with other albums he's done so I can't comment.

3) The members of the band must have been happy with his handling of their "sound" having him produce two albums.

Some of the songs are perhaps not to everyone's taste - I think I'm the only person who doesn't get Before Time Began - but that's a purely personal thing.

As a keyboard player I'm still getting used to Don's slightly different drawbar settings for the Hammond but, on the whole, I think it's a great album and play it regularly.



1) Errr... Have you tried to listen to Gillan's vocal? They are heavily, digitally distortied at times, and he sounds like crap. Live, his voice is completely different, and he sounds like Gillan.

2) The only, and I mean ONLY, good thing about the production is Little Ian's drumsound. It's very dry, but I like that on a Purple record. I think that the drumsound on Machine Head is dry too, so to me that's a good thing. Otherwise I think my grandmother could've done a better production.

(She's not a producer, btw emoticon )

3) Well, it's typical for Purple to do things and say that "oh we're so [sign in to see URL] blah..", and a few years down the line they will say "oh, it wasn't THAT [sign in to see URL] blah...". I read an interview with Ian Paice after the release of ROTD, and he didn't sound THAT happy with the production, and I'm not so sure that Glover is to happy with the current situation. I guess that there are a stronger person in the band that have decided that they need a outside producer...

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Happy Hammond --> I've experimented with mixing and producing some amateur musicians and, although Michael Bradford is certainly a professional (I am not), I can tell you that production on ROTD is very sloppy - as if he didn't care at all. With expensive studio equipment he has, it's hard to distort the vocals. And he did it! It's like he added too much volume one time, and later was to lazy to turn it down... Listen to the Gillan scream in "Before Time Began" (somewhere between 4:17 and 4:19). To my ears it's distorted. The following verses untill 4:34 also sound artificial.
Gillan is clearly distorted on "Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye" (0:39; ~1:25 - 1:30 etc.).
Probably I could go on and on emoticon Some may say such distortion isn't anything important. OK, but let's add the flat (IMHO) drum sound, strange reverb (again Gillan was the victim) and clips (all throughout "Bananas") - we end up with a producer who simply doesn't have a clue of what is going on in the studio.
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IMHO ROTD, along with Bananas, is poorly produced. I agree with Arendel totally.

Bradford simply isn't the man man for Purple. He doesn't seem to understand what it's all about (unlike Martin Bicrh in the 70s). It's heavy rock but it has to be clearly produced with all the niuances. I think Glover did a very good job on Purpendicular and Abandon. Why the hell did they stop him from producing DP albums???????????
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1) IMHO ROTD, along with Bananas, is poorly produced. I agree with Arendel totally.

2) Bradford simply isn't the man man for Purple. He doesn't seem to understand what it's all about (unlike Martin Bicrh in the 70s). It's heavy rock but it has to be clearly produced with all the niuances.

3) I think Glover did a very good job on Purpendicular and Abandon.

4) Why the hell did they stop him from producing DP albums???????????



1) Totally agree!

2) Totally agree!

3) Totally agree!

4) Because Gillan said that they needed an outside producer to bring in some new, good ideas, and make them sound fresh. What a load of bollocks! Gillan couldn't stand the fact that Glover was given so much power over the end result of the recordings, that's why! What else would be the reason to fix a thing that worked so well? If it's working, don't fix it!!!

Why do I think Gillan is behind the desicions made you say? Because there used to be two really strong persons in the band, and that was Blackmore and Gillan. Now there's only one left, so who do you think have the most to say these days???



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I must have a different copy than you guys then 'cos I can't hear any distortion - unless it's my old ears emoticon

I've worked in studios with my own bands over the years so I know a bit about this sort of thing but this thread kinda proves my point - some people like the drum sound, others don't - some people like the vocal treatment - others don't.

I probabaly haven't heard the distortion in Before Time Began because as I don't like that song, I don't listen to it all that much. It reminds of that Spinal Tap one where the dwarf dances around Stonehenge but plenty of other people on here rave about it!

Shows you what I know. emoticon



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I must have a different copy than you guys then 'cos I can't hear any distortion - unless it's my old ears emoticon

I've worked in studios with my own bands over the years so I know a bit about this sort of thing but this thread kinda proves my point - some people like the drum sound, others don't - some people like the vocal treatment - others don't.

I probabaly haven't heard the distortion in Before Time Began because as I don't like that song, I don't listen to it all that much. It reminds of that Spinal Tap one where the dwarf dances around Stonehenge but plenty of other people on here rave about it!

Shows you what I know. emoticon




Must be those ears emoticon

When I say that the vocals are distortied, I don't mean in any way like fx Morse's guitar. It sounds like the gain is way up high on the vocals (slightly distortied), and it certainly doesen't sound like Gillan. My first thought when I heard Bananas was "what, is this Gillan", and the same thought came to mind the first time I heard ROTD.

There are producers out there who could blow Bradford "off stage" any day when it comes to producing hard rock. Let him have all those Kid [sign in to see URL] whatever he prefer to produce.

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