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What if a band member posts to this forum?
Is it still ok to insult him?






a definition for insulting would be nice.
Hard critic isn't automatically an insult!

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I waiting for some kind of explanation here.. why I'm being censored and not the other "turdslinger".
If not I'm out of here. Don't like dictatorship and never will. It disgust me deeply.



It was I who removed your post. I suppose I forgot to inform you about it.

I'm surprised I have to explain this to you, but MrSnip slagged off Steve Morse, a member of Deep Purple - the subject matter of this forum.
 
You slagged off MrSnip, who is not subject matter of the forum but your fellow poster.




What if a band member posts to this forum?
Is it still ok to insult him?





This raises a bit of interest, because anyone who has a passion for something, can easily feel offended when that suject is attacked with poor tatse, and general rudeness, almost is if their taste is being attacked in the process.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what seems to be more honored here, than any other behavior issues.
Certain people use remearks to convey their disrespect for ones support, and that is just plain asking for a battle of some kind.
It all depends on how much you care about it, but the forum staff should better distinct who is the source of the infection, and stop taking sides, in their own little way, no matter who they side with, they should be publicly objective, and some of them, simply aren't.

A good idea, would be to let the haters have their own space, if you're going to allow any co existance, so it doesn't distort the overall subject matter, into a mushfest of unhealthy reading material.

A haters vs. advocaters forum, where anything can be challenged, as it doesn't belong all over the place.
I know, if I were to put it into the suggestion box, and they were to find it a great idea, they would have to credit me with it, and that isn't going to happen. emoticon
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And why do we have to insult...? To much of that crap going on in society anyway.
I can understand insult if it's done in a warm and good natured spirit but...
then when I respond I get crap thrown all over me from the powers to be. And yes I am
the martyr of this forum... emoticon
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I can understand insult if it's done in a warm and good natured spirit but...
 



insult = förolämpning på Svensk (in Swedish)
How can you do that in a warm and good natured spirit?

I don't understand you.
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 A turd would have more stage presence than Morse.




 Just to get back to what seems to be the 'ember' that got this whole digression going...
 This reads to me as an opinion, no more - no less.
 Is it a controversial opinion? Apparently.
 Is it an opinion one is entitled to have? Definitely.
 Is it an opinion one should be entitled to express publicly on a Deep Purple FanForum? By the general consensus/accepted wisdom of the board & it's administration - yes.
 Is it an opinion that's expressed in poor taste? Well...that's a matter of taste, I guess. To me, I recognize that the choice of words quite possibly could've been, "A piece of !@#$ would have more stage presence than Morse." When the alternative I just suggested is used in comparison, it looks like the lesser of two critical descriptions was employed. Sure, it's a matter of semantics(?), as a piece of !@#$ is a turd & vice-versa...anyway, it seems to me a big part of the problem is something I was enlightened about when I was a teenager: When someone is extolling the merits of a thing or person that I didn't/don't particularly care for, I had to learn to not just come with a "That (or they) sucks" comment, as it seems that a helluva lot of people take such a comment to also mean that the person making the "That (or they) sucks" comment is also telling the person who likes the thing or person that they also suck for liking it, even though that may not have been the criticizer's intent at all. But like a baserunner's interference with a fielder during a baseball game - intent has nothing to do with it. So what I'm saying is though it may take a few extra seconds, it's sometimes worth the effort to point out that a critical opinion of someone or something that someone else likes isn't necesarily an observation about the people who like the thing or person being criticized.
 



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Funny, one of them hit me with something about how I aid the defense of the new line up so much, when I actually only like 3/4 of their material, they just don't get that it's not about all of that.

I just aid the defense of positive discussion, as a healthy choice.
And I will take it to whatever extreme I feel is necissary, to drive that point home.... if it confuses anyone, they shouldn't be too concerned with it, as the ones who I aim it at, aren't the least bit confused, in fact they're banking on my response to them, simply because misery loves company... but I make myself clear to them, by assuring them of their own petty nonsense.(some of the time I succeed) emoticon
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Well, we here don't mind if we see harsh criticism for DP or it's members, after all everyone's entitled to their opinion.

What we don't want to see is posters getting at each other. And yes, that kind of action is censored, whether you like or not. And yes, those who are mods and admins are the judges of that. Yes, you are entitled to your opinions about other posters, just keep them to yourselves.


 



I hope that's not forgotten.

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I still don't see the problem here!?!?!?!

It's really very easy. Some people like Purple no matter what they bring to the table, and wouldn't say anything negative about the band or the bandmembers even if they started to make hip hop records, some people don't like what Purple are doing today. Some people are pleased with what Purple do today, some are not. Some people feel strongly that Purple are moving in the right direction, some people feel strongly that they're moving in the wrong.

We all have a different view, and that's OK.
We are here to discuss those views, even argue about them. All that is OK!

I even think that it's OK to say what you want about the bandmembers 'cause they have choosen the public life themselves, and if they can't take that part of the "famous bit"...well, they should find something else to do. If someone says that Gillan is an old fart and a silent screamer, that's their opinion, and they say so to make a point. Some people here on the forum seem to miss the point a little of posts like that, and seem to think that the poster is just being plain evil. They (mostly) just want a little attention about their topic and views. Try reading between the lines...

The only problem is when fellow posters are attacking eachother, and being serious about it. What's the point?
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MrSnip wrote:
 A turd would have more stage presence than Morse.




 Just to get back to what seems to be the 'ember' that got this whole digression going...
 This reads to me as an opinion, no more - no less.
 Is it a controversial opinion? Apparently.
 Is it an opinion one is entitled to have? Definitely.
 Is it an opinion one should be entitled to express publicly on a Deep Purple FanForum? By the general consensus/accepted wisdom of the board & it's administration - yes.
 Is it an opinion that's expressed in poor taste? Well...that's a matter of taste, I guess. To me, I recognize that the choice of words quite possibly could've been, "A piece of !@#$ would have more stage presence than Morse." When the alternative I just suggested is used in comparison, it looks like the lesser of two critical descriptions was employed. Sure, it's a matter of semantics(?), as a piece of !@#$ is a turd & vice-versa...anyway, it seems to me a big part of the problem is something I was enlightened about when I was a teenager: When someone is extolling the merits of a thing or person that I didn't/don't particularly care for, I had to learn to not just come with a "That (or they) sucks" comment, as it seems that a helluva lot of people take such a comment to also mean that the person making the "That (or they) sucks" comment is also telling the person who likes the thing or person that they also suck for liking it, even though that may not have been the criticizer's intent at all. But like a baserunner's interference with a fielder during a baseball game - intent has nothing to do with it. So what I'm saying is though it may take a few extra seconds, it's sometimes worth the effort to point out that a critical opinion of someone or something that someone else likes isn't necesarily an observation about the people who like the thing or person being criticized.
 





I took that last line of yours into complete consideration when I joined these forums, "but small wounds fester..." to quote Ian Gillans best explination for he and Blackmores differences.(which is likely uknown to people here, as I've never heard anyone use it on the subject)

So in my case, you can't possibly be right.
But in the case of others, I agree...

Intentions do matter, when the S H I T allows to flourish for years.(crystal clear)

Let me quote a couple of great internet fans, who don't feel dragged into the garbage, because they simply shose to avoid anywhere it exists on the internet.
It's decent advice anyway...

On behalf of the current line up, and peoples intent to completely dismantle it, becasue you can't be two peopole at once, and they feel it constutues an inferiority of somekind, to the legacy, so a replecement is always under the microscope.

1."Without deviating for the norm, progress is not possible" emoticon

And for those who love a good argument...

2."Never argue with idiots, they'll only cut you down to their level, and beat you on experience" emoticon

Now if I were to say these things myself, the haters would have all graduated by now?
Naw... they'd just be a little more informed. emoticon
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quote:

MrSnip wrote:
 A turd would have more stage presence than Morse.




 Just to get back to what seems to be the 'ember' that got this whole digression going...
 This reads to me as an opinion, no more - no less.
 Is it a controversial opinion? Apparently.
 Is it an opinion one is entitled to have? Definitely.
 Is it an opinion one should be entitled to express publicly on a Deep Purple FanForum? By the general consensus/accepted wisdom of the board & it's administration - yes.

 Is it an opinion that's expressed in poor taste? Well...that's a matter of taste, I guess. To me, I recognize that the choice of words quite possibly could've been, "A piece of !@#$ would have more stage presence than Morse." When the alternative I just suggested is used in comparison, it looks like the lesser of two critical descriptions was employed.

 Sure, it's a matter of semantics(?), as a piece of !@#$ is a turd & vice-versa...anyway, it seems to me a big part of the problem is something I was enlightened about when I was a teenager:
 When someone is extolling the merits of a thing or person that I didn't/don't particularly care for, I had to learn to not just come with a "That (or they) sucks" comment, as it seems that a helluva lot of people take such a comment to also mean that the person making the "That (or they) sucks" comment is also telling the person who likes the thing or person that they also suck for liking it, even though that may not have been the criticizer's intent at all.

phew, that was one hell of a sentence.
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 But like a baserunner's interference with a fielder during a baseball game - intent has nothing to do with it.
 So what I'm saying is though it may take a few extra seconds, it's sometimes worth the effort to point out that a critical opinion of someone or something that someone else likes isn't necesarily an observation about the people who like the thing or person being criticized.
 




Quite a good analysis, Sarge.
Hope you don't mind the chapter breaks. You were on to something with my comment regarding the disliked turd comment. But, my point hasn't been reveiled...yet.

In respect, I'll do it now.

If you put a turd on the stage, it smells, and people would turn their face in disgust. Morse's stage presence doesn't create that reaction. He creates the reaction of some standing open mouthed and saying Wow! How can it be so big?
And some are just plain bored, I've seen that before!. But, the usual people chose to refuse to read the comment as anything else but an insult.

It is a classical example of how image works, come on BTN this is water on your mill. I have the image of insulting DP, thus everything I say has to be an insult.

BTW, it's the last time I will explain what I write. If people like to get all worked up, it's their choice. Afterall, I'm a hater, I talk down to people who love and adore Deep Purple. I am a menace. I love my black hat. I'm a turdslinger. I am envious. I am jalous.
There's no reason for me to ruin my image anymore.

You can all adore and love DP as much as you please, I won't lose one second of sleep over that. I don't like what this band is doing now, and I say my opinion untill I am told that that is not allowed on the board. No-one but the staff of the board will get me to change that.
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