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There's something wrong with him. He looks so tired and sad, and his playing is a shadow of what it once was. Don't know whether it's because of health issues, or because he has lost interest, or whatever. I hope he sees some sense and brings it to an end now. And I'm glad that I saw some decent shows in 2016 and 2018.



Yes, he looks somewhat lost. But if he's in pain it can't be easy to be up there being scrutinized by everyone.

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Lets be honest hes finished emoticon
age catches up with all of us at some point even legends .
Some take a bit longer for the cracks to show but Ritchie is finished sadly.
The guy has been an absolute legend of the rock scene in fact he pretty much invented a whole style of guitar playing which many have copied but none have really matched.
He has been my guitar hero for over 40 years now, none have moved me like he has but its time to retire this is now just very sad emoticon
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Lets be honest hes finished emoticon
age catches up with all of us at some point even legends .
Some take a bit longer for the cracks to show but Ritchie is finished sadly.
The guy has been an absolute legend of the rock scene in fact he pretty much invented a whole style of guitar playing which many have copied but none have really matched.
He has been my guitar hero for over 40 years now, none have moved me like he has but its time to retire this is now just very sad emoticon



Can only agree with all you say Light. My all time hero for ever.


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He needn't necessarily retire completely. Perhaps he's still able to play the BN songs properly. But we have reached the end of the rainbow, and Ritchie should acknowledge it as well.
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Saw BN last year and there was no fire in Blackmore.
Candice telling the same jokes over and over again, like she was the star. At that night it was clear to me it was the last time I witnessed him. Really a depressing evening

Highlights for me are the Rainbow shows in 1976 and 77.
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I agree with LITB. He is my favorite guitar player and, IMHO, the best rock guitar player of all time. At his peak in the 1970's, no other guitar play came close. The 1993 DP tour and then the later with Rainbow in the 1990's proved he still had it when he felt like it. He deserves to do what he wants. We all get up there in age like it or not.
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Light

You are so correct. Amidst all the Gillan/Blackmore arguments that go on here we forget the brilliance.
Ritchie was, and is, my guitar hero. Each and every time he stepped on stage I got a shiver. Each album a sense of excitement. As a kid at school Blackmore was MY team (if you get football), I'd listen to Lifeson, Page, Schenker etc. But Blackmore was THE man.

The stuff now has now relevance to that. However, Birmingham 2016 was a blast. London 2017 awful. The rest I see so much worse. My question is why? If you say you aren't interested in Rock anymore - stop.

I want no insult to anyone going now and having fun - but a look at Mistreated 77 Munich is almost a different planet.

Forgive me if I type quicker than I think but I thought about this a lot recently.

BLackmore: 60/70s - Simply genius and in an era of seriously great players, he had respect and a unique sound.
80s - With some questionable tones and shifts in style there is still enough genius to go around. Rainbow playing live was still ace - Purple still had great shows - the worst I could say was lazy sometimes or too often.
90's - the last Mk II gigs I was at were awesome - the Strangers tour also.
00's - BN not my cup of tea - but saw them and he played really well - One cracker on the strat.
2016 onwards - Uncomfortable (and nervous) on electric; he goes to slide and avoiding too many solos. Even riffs like Smoke/Burn are off. It's a man in pain.

Gillan - the real screams were gone by 75 (as well they should be doing CIT for three years live. he did something different for GILLAN band - worked. After Sabbath (and operation) sounded good.
80's - generally more bad than good - too much beer and smoking - though oddly excellent on tour after firing from purple.
90's - Had great nights ( I was lucky).
Post Ritchie much more good nights and into 00's some corkers.
Now - a shadow, but one who has adapted for a decade or so - the lower range is still very much Gillan. And can do it in studio.

Now, at this point you think I'm being easier on Gillan? I'm not. It's just since the 80's my expectations were different. With Ritchie, even a bad night had something that made the hairs stand up. To see recently is not just below expectations, I'm embarrassed.

Apologies to all for the rant/overlong talk. But you are the guys/gals I can talk to about this stuff.
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My review of Sweden Rock last night:

Better than expected but that's only because I was half expecting a trainwreck in front of 30k. Ritchie and co seemed to go down well with the crowd and got a good response. Ronnie R the star of the show and pretty much carrying it on his own. Him and the songs...

Ritchie? Present as writer, legend and entertainer with a mystical presence, holding the crowd under his spell. A shell of his former self playing wise, almost to the point that it's hard to deduce it's Ritchie up there. Struggling with pretty much all solos, unable to play anything coherent and fluid. Consequently, no wow moments (again, strange considering he used to be the king of feel).

And still, it kind of worked nevertheless (amazingly).

The fact that they're not overrehearsed almost seems to work in their favour, since it adds an element of freshness to a headlining show at this level. Ronnie R's voice impressed the audience (JLT who?) and he had a natural demeanor onstage. Overall, I was positively surprised with the band, who I felt did a good job. Johansson reduced to a backing role though.

I am glad I went but I wouldn't go again. Don't want to hear Ritchie ever like that again.
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danielb: Thanks for this review. It seems that Ritchie has reduced his role even more than he already had in 2016 to 2018. He already let Ronnie and Jon be in the focus a lot in these shows, omitted the intros to Mistreated, Catch The Rainbow, Difficult To Cure he had done in previous years.

And this is ok for me. Then it's not "Ritchie and his guys", but rather a band in a strict sense, without a certain member necessarily being in the focus. No problem with that. But his playing is a problem. The Rainbow songs need a strong, dominant, fluid guitar, and he doesn't seem to be able to deliver that any more. Sadly.
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Light

You are so correct. Amidst all the Gillan/Blackmore arguments that go on here we forget the brilliance.
Ritchie was, and is, my guitar hero. Each and every time he stepped on stage I got a shiver. Each album a sense of excitement. As a kid at school Blackmore was MY team (if you get football), I'd listen to Lifeson, Page, Schenker etc. But Blackmore was THE man.

The stuff now has now relevance to that. However, Birmingham 2016 was a blast. London 2017 awful. The rest I see so much worse. My question is why? If you say you aren't interested in Rock anymore - stop.

I want no insult to anyone going now and having fun - but a look at Mistreated 77 Munich is almost a different planet.

Forgive me if I type quicker than I think but I thought about this a lot recently.

BLackmore: 60/70s - Simply genius and in an era of seriously great players, he had respect and a unique sound.
80s - With some questionable tones and shifts in style there is still enough genius to go around. Rainbow playing live was still ace - Purple still had great shows - the worst I could say was lazy sometimes or too often.
90's - the last Mk II gigs I was at were awesome - the Strangers tour also.
00's - BN not my cup of tea - but saw them and he played really well - One cracker on the strat.
2016 onwards - Uncomfortable (and nervous) on electric; he goes to slide and avoiding too many solos. Even riffs like Smoke/Burn are off. It's a man in pain.

Gillan - the real screams were gone by 75 (as well they should be doing CIT for three years live. he did something different for GILLAN band - worked. After Sabbath (and operation) sounded good.
80's - generally more bad than good - too much beer and smoking - though oddly excellent on tour after firing from purple.
90's - Had great nights ( I was lucky).
Post Ritchie much more good nights and into 00's some corkers.
Now - a shadow, but one who has adapted for a decade or so - the lower range is still very much Gillan. And can do it in studio.

Now, at this point you think I'm being easier on Gillan? I'm not. It's just since the 80's my expectations were different. With Ritchie, even a bad night had something that made the hairs stand up. To see recently is not just below expectations, I'm embarrassed.

Apologies to all for the rant/overlong talk. But you are the guys/gals I can talk to about this stuff.



I agree with most of that dodoa64, I think you've summed it all up very well?I will say though that for me during the 80s i think Ritchie was bloody awful most of the time, a few minutes or at times seconds of sublime talent didn't make up for shows where he basically dialled it in very sloppily, if anything those sublime moments made his playing seem all the worse! as it was apparent he could still do it when he wanted to.The 90s proved that .
as for Gillan? untouchable in the 70s best rock singer of all time in that period IMHO.I do think he let it all go far too quickly due to his lifestyle choices?After that then expectations dropped as you say.
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