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Did you have a chance to check out some of the people who weren't on your initial list?



I haven't checked the Gear Page you mention yet. Of the names in your post, I'm not familiar with Avatarium, Zool, Kruk, Saffire, Show Ya, Walter Giardino's Temple. I'll check them out!



Is it Kruk or Krux? Krux is another band from Leif Edling (Candlemass, Avatarium,...).





Hi it's Kruk and I posted videos to all those groups and many more in the thread on TGP which I linked in the first post.


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Hi tribalfusion,

thanks for pointing out the thread - I am often on TGP, but had somehow managed to miss this. I am also trying to listen to the bands, but arriving late it takes time. I will post some comments as I "digest" the material; some of it I knew, but a lot is new to me.

Speaking strictly for myself, it's not that I don't care about bands influenced by DP, but I guess for a fan it's a fine line between paying homage and copying (akin to sacrilege;-)) and, in more general terms, whenever I listen to this kind of music, I tend to revert back to the originals, in particular considering we have so many bands in the Purple family, given all the spinoffs with different members.

However, it is interesting to hear them. For example, I was suprised by John Norum's slide solo bit, I was not expecting that from him, I thought all he had borrowed from Ritchie were the Strat and the neoclassical bits.

Another comment would be that newer bands like Avatarium in my view fall prey to the typical mistake of cluttering the sonic space a bit too much, kinda forgetting that what made the DP sound great was it being quite heavy for their time, but the heavyness was a direct consequence of dynamics, not of densely layered tracks occupying every sonic space for the entire duration of the song. It was those gentle, "pure" moments that made the next furious bit all the more heavy and bombastic. Modern bands have their volume control constantly on 10, and ultimately it detracts from their impact.

One thing I will try to pay attention to: so far, I noticed that bands using keyboards/organ in the DP tradition don't usually have the same balance between the two that DP had. Some lean more towards prog and have more prominent keys, others are more rock and the guitar is more relevant. In DP, "thanks" in part to Ritchie's aversion to rhythm playing, they had a more equal standing: RB would solo more, but during verses Jon Lord's contribution would be more relevant.

The other thing I want to look out for is this: in my view, most bands being influenced by DP fall in three categories: prog bands, metal bands and, sort of in-between, classic rock bands. I would like to see if anyone has taken a more jazzy approach, which in my view was what made them unique in the early Seventies: simple song structures, built around a returning riff alternated to long solo parts and jams bits...does that sound familiar? To me yes, it's a kind of jazz standard approach, and it's way more complex than the other ones I mentioned. I don't know if anyone has taken that route these days.




Hey! I'm pleasantly surprised to see a Gear Page member on here too. What's your name over there?

I look forward to reading your comments on the bands I posted and hearing any suggestions I may have missed.

Regarding Avatarium, they have a lot more depth than may be apparent at first glance so give them a listen and sample from their past few recordings perhaps. They definitely have huge contrasts in their music.

As for the jazzier approach and Purple, some of Opeth certainly has elements of this and there's perhaps a bit in Black Country Communion at times. The lead singer for Avatarium certainly has it in her phrasing too and I think she is one of the finest vocalists I have heard in a long time. Also check out the last few albums from Europe here and there.


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Another comment would be that newer bands like Avatarium in my view fall prey to the typical mistake of cluttering the sonic space a bit too much, kinda forgetting that what made the DP sound great was it being quite heavy for their time, but the heavyness was a direct consequence of dynamics, not of densely layered tracks occupying every sonic space for the entire duration of the song. It was those gentle, "pure" moments that made the next furious bit all the more heavy and bombastic. Modern bands have their volume control constantly on 10, and ultimately it detracts from their impact.




Really? That's part of the appeal of Avatarium for me - the light and shade. e.g The January Sea





Exactly and it's there in many of their tunes


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Big J - I will listen to the song you are linking, I was going by what I heard, and admittedly it's not much. So if they are different I will be happy to give them a more thorough listening.
But my point stands in more general terms - it's a fact that between layering multiple parts (in the past they double-tracked guitars, now?), overplaying, and overcompressing, a lot of the metal scene has become all light and no shade, to stay with your image. And silence belongs to music as well.



I agree 110% and that's one reason I found Avatarium so refreshing as well as Opeth and a few others.

Avatarium's vocalist Jennie Ann Smith is a real singer who could be at home in many genres (jazzy, folks and bluesy) and with real power to go with her subtlety.



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I'm a bit disappointed there has been so little interest in this topic, especially as Purple are winding down and there will be less music from them in the future for fans of this style of music.

In any case, here's another band for you all, the big Indonesian band God Bless, who actually opened for Purple's huge show in Indonesia in 1975 (the biggest ever in the country to date with 150,000 fans):




Any other suggestions?
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Good suggestion, never heard of them, I don't like the vocals but instrumentally quite interesting.
Regarding your disappointment, well you know I think in this forum everybody of course is here because they love Purple but maybe not necessarily all of them are into the whole genre, so they follow the band but not the whole movement. Personally, I do and I enjoy more or less every kind of hard rock including heavy, prog, soul, blues, melodic, metal, doom, funk, etc.
I can't think of any other band not mentioned yet that are close to the Purple sound. On a more generic level, I adored the one and only album by Kharma, "Wonderland": a lot of 80's Rainbow but a lot of Journey, Foreigner, Queen as well. Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnDF2SUG-wE
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Good suggestion, never heard of them, I don't like the vocals but instrumentally quite interesting.
Regarding your disappointment, well you know I think in this forum everybody of course is here because they love Purple but maybe not necessarily all of them are into the whole genre, so they follow the band but not the whole movement. Personally, I do and I enjoy more or less every kind of hard rock including heavy, prog, soul, blues, melodic, metal, doom, funk, etc.
I can't think of any other band not mentioned yet that are close to the Purple sound. On a more generic level, I adored the one and only album by Kharma, "Wonderland": a lot of 80's Rainbow but a lot of Journey, Foreigner, Queen as well. Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnDF2SUG-wE




Thanks very much for the suggestion. I haven't listened to that in a while but at one point checked out Goran Edman's albums and I would think his group Marran would especially appeal to Purple fans though the lyrics are all in Swedish.

Maybe we could expand the topic to include rock bands people might like and which aren't so well known and discuss more of these things. As the years go by, it would be nice to have some newer things to check out.

I'm not a fan of the vocals from God Bless either but they're an interesting band and definitely unknown in the West with lots of Purple influences so they came to mind.

You're in Italy, right? I used to live there myself too actually. Is there any music you might recommend from Italy in terms of prog, hard, metal, fusion etc or just things which you think should be heard? I try to stay somewhat current but I imagine I have missed things and not much is discussed outside the country.

I've heard a few things recently like the band Syndone, La Coscienza di Zeno and Accordo dei Contrari which had some promise.

Of course I already mentioned Wicked Minds and Forever Deep for the Purple connections too.

Thanks again!

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Is there any music you might recommend from Italy in terms of prog, hard, metal, fusion etc or just things which you think should be heard? I try to stay somewhat current but I imagine I have missed things and not much is discussed outside the country.




Hey, tribalfusion, I sent you a PM about this, so that we don't go too much off topic here!
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A new discovery, Tony Reed, founder of the band Mos Generator, here revisiting underground and forgotten heroes of heavy rock. Genuine, inspired and very enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9eGx5ddPk&t=2179s

I just received the vinyl version and it contains also the cd version which has six additional songs. The gatefold cover in itself is marvelous.
If this isn't enough, the whole album is downloadable for free from his site. When I saw this I decided to buy one.
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A new discovery, Tony Reed, founder of the band Mos Generator, here revisiting underground and forgotten heroes of heavy rock. Genuine, inspired and very enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9eGx5ddPk&t=2179s

I just received the vinyl version and it contains also the cd version which has six additional songs. The gatefold cover in itself is marvelous.
If this isn't enough, the whole album is downloadable for free from his site. When I saw this I decided to buy one.




Thanks for reminding me about this one; I bookmarked it a while back and never got around to checking it out fully!

Mos Generator is pretty solid as well.


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