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Re: Who owns the name and who has the power in Deep Purple?
Let me clarify one thing, particularly after reading Concrete God's comment: one thing is to perform on a record, another to write the songs. There are two distinct levels of royalties in the music industry, one regarding who actually played on each song, and another related to who wrote the song. Let me make an obvious case: when DP covered the Beatles, JL did add his special touches and Ian Paice did show his unique style, still the song remained credited on DP's album only to Lennon/McCartney. Likewise, just think of the session guys who play on tons of records; if they received writing credits for interpreting a song in their unique way, the very same uinque way that got them the job, they would be the richest people on Earth - yet, they do not, of course.
Having said that, what is confusing to many is that DP shared writing credits equally from 68 to 76, and some assume that therefore all contributed equally. It is not like that, to the point that one of the conditions that Ritchie set when re-uniting in 84, was that members should only get writing credits for the songs they actually helped to write - and on Perfect Strangers, by pure coincidence, the tracks where Lord and Paice appear are a grand total of 2. Why did they initially split 5-way? Because it would have meant that the writers in the band would have been paid twice the money of the non-writers, and it would have created a lot of arguments between band members who were, at the time, roughly on equal terms in terms of popularity. At the time of the reunion, this had all changed and neither JL nor IP had the power to keep that anymore.
Now, if we accept that 3 people wrote the bulk of it, then, given their roles, it is safe to assume that Ritchie's role was dominant in the music, Ian's in the lyrics and vocal melodies and Roger helped both out and refined ideas.
This is how I see it.
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The songs were credited to, not written by.
This is important to remember. The fact that all MK II songs from IR to WDWTWA were credited to B,G,G,L,P it does not mean that they were written by them.
So you mean Blackmore wrote the lyrics..? And that Glover didn't come up with riffs and ideas to Speed King and Smoke just to mention a few?
That Lord didn't have this special touch in the music that made it .. deep purple?
That Paice don't have his own unique sound to make him The Purple drummer?
That really it was a one man show..?
But who on earth said any of the above? The vast majority of the songs in MK II were written by Blackmore, Gillan and Glover, a fact recognised in many interviews by JL.
Where have I ever said that DP was a one man show?
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leelyt
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quote: mtb7 wrote:
Let me clarify one thing, particularly after reading Concrete God's comment: one thing is to perform on a record, another to write the songs. There are two distinct levels of royalties in the music industry, one regarding who actually played on each song, and another related to who wrote the song. Let me make an obvious case: when DP covered the Beatles, JL did add his special touches and Ian Paice did show his unique style, still the song remained credited on DP's album only to Lennon/McCartney. Likewise, just think of the session guys who play on tons of records; if they received writing credits for interpreting a song in their unique way, the very same uinque way that got them the job, they would be the richest people on Earth - yet, they do not, of course.
Having said that, what is confusing to many is that DP shared writing credits equally from 68 to 76, and some assume that therefore all contributed equally. It is not like that, to the point that one of the conditions that Ritchie set when re-uniting in 84, was that members should only get writing credits for the songs they actually helped to write - and on Perfect Strangers, by pure coincidence, the tracks where Lord and Paice appear are a grand total of 2. Why did they initially split 5-way? Because it would have meant that the writers in the band would have been paid twice the money of the non-writers, and it would have created a lot of arguments between band members who were, at the time, roughly on equal terms in terms of popularity. At the time of the reunion, this had all changed and neither JL nor IP had the power to keep that anymore.
Now, if we accept that 3 people wrote the bulk of it, then, given their roles, it is safe to assume that Ritchie's role was dominant in the music, Ian's in the lyrics and vocal melodies and Roger helped both out and refined ideas.
This is how I see it.
quote: leelyt wrote:
quote: Concrete god wrote:
quote: leelyt wrote:
quote: VleeMouse wrote:
The songs were credited to, not written by.
This is important to remember. The fact that all MK II songs from IR to WDWTWA were credited to B,G,G,L,P it does not mean that they were written by them.
So you mean Blackmore wrote the lyrics..? And that Glover didn't come up with riffs and ideas to Speed King and Smoke just to mention a few?
That Lord didn't have this special touch in the music that made it .. deep purple?
That Paice don't have his own unique sound to make him The Purple drummer?
That really it was a one man show..?
But who on earth said any of the above? The vast majority of the songs in MK II were written by Blackmore, Gillan and Glover, a fact recognised in many interviews by JL.
Where have I ever said that DP was a one man show?
Clearly so. JL cannot be given writing credit for sounding like JL. And the same with IP, he can only sound like IP on the drums because that is who he is.
To claim that they were in any part responsible for writing a song because they played on it is not correct.
It was my understanding also that the lyrics were shared between IG and RG.
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Re: Who owns the name and who has the power in Deep Purple?
Do we know who really wrote which songs in the Mark 2 era? I often read that Maybe I'm a Leo was mainly written by Glover.
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It would be nice to compile something; all we go by are a) anecdotal evidence from interviews, and b) assumptions based on the style of each member (we've seen them all in their solo careers as well, and there are, musically, some patterns that repeat themselves, like for example the four-note chromatic run that pops up a number of times in Ritchie's compositions when it comes to bridging from one song section to the next). But, as far as I know, no single source.
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quote: mtb7 wrote:
Let me clarify one thing, particularly after reading Concrete God's comment: one thing is to perform on a record, another to write the songs. There are two distinct levels of royalties in the music industry, one regarding who actually played on each song, and another related to who wrote the song. Let me make an obvious case: when DP covered the Beatles, JL did add his special touches and Ian Paice did show his unique style, still the song remained credited on DP's album only to Lennon/McCartney. Likewise, just think of the session guys who play on tons of records; if they received writing credits for interpreting a song in their unique way, the very same uinque way that got them the job, they would be the richest people on Earth - yet, they do not, of course.
Having said that, what is confusing to many is that DP shared writing credits equally from 68 to 76, and some assume that therefore all contributed equally. It is not like that, to the point that one of the conditions that Ritchie set when re-uniting in 84, was that members should only get writing credits for the songs they actually helped to write - and on Perfect Strangers, by pure coincidence, the tracks where Lord and Paice appear are a grand total of 2. Why did they initially split 5-way? Because it would have meant that the writers in the band would have been paid twice the money of the non-writers, and it would have created a lot of arguments between band members who were, at the time, roughly on equal terms in terms of popularity. At the time of the reunion, this had all changed and neither JL nor IP had the power to keep that anymore.
Now, if we accept that 3 people wrote the bulk of it, then, given their roles, it is safe to assume that Ritchie's role was dominant in the music, Ian's in the lyrics and vocal melodies and Roger helped both out and refined ideas.
This is how I see it.
quote: leelyt wrote:
quote: Concrete god wrote:
quote: leelyt wrote:
quote: VleeMouse wrote:
The songs were credited to, not written by.
This is important to remember. The fact that all MK II songs from IR to WDWTWA were credited to B,G,G,L,P it does not mean that they were written by them.
So you mean Blackmore wrote the lyrics..? And that Glover didn't come up with riffs and ideas to Speed King and Smoke just to mention a few?
That Lord didn't have this special touch in the music that made it .. deep purple?
That Paice don't have his own unique sound to make him The Purple drummer?
That really it was a one man show..?
But who on earth said any of the above? The vast majority of the songs in MK II were written by Blackmore, Gillan and Glover, a fact recognised in many interviews by JL.
Where have I ever said that DP was a one man show?
Clearly so. JL cannot be given writing credit for sounding like JL. And the same with IP, he can only sound like IP on the drums because that is who he is.
To claim that they were in any part responsible for writing a song because they played on it is not correct.
It was my understanding also that the lyrics were shared between IG and RG.
I disagree. The five of them were together in a room working/ building/ writing the songs. The main idea might have come from one or the other, but they were all involved in the writing process.
It's not like one member went into his own studio and composed the song from a to z and then present it to the group (like Pete Townshend would do).
It was often taken from jams involving most/all members.Therefor it think it's right that all 5 were credited as writers.
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Hi purpletemple - I tend to think that there were varying degrees of involvement; when Jon said in an interview about the songwriting process for Perfect Strangers (the album) that he had come with ideas, but in the end they chose Ritchie's ones because they were better, well, I think it's clear where the credits should be. This does not mean that no contributions were made from the others, but there were clearly people driving the process and others running alongside. Even JL and IP themselves agreed on this...
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I think, that Roger Glover had a main role in the writing process. He mimself said, that he composed a lot of "In Rock". And it must have had a reason, why Blackmore recruited him for Rainbow to be more succesful.
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Roger is a fantastic jack of all trades - he contributes to writing music as well as lyrics, produces, arranges, and has a negligible portion of ego...he was instrumental in DP's and Rainbow's success, even if he was not the most prominent member.
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The idea that DP songs seemed to naturally evolve from jam sessions and so all were involved is a bit misleading. It needs a riff. it needs a hook. Just remember Man On The Silver Mountain could (and should) have been a DP song.
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Just writing songs from jams has lead to the music that DP create now, where every song just sounds like part of a jam.
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