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Agree on that, and on BM being a great professional. Between you and me, though, he never moved me even remotely as much as Ritchie, and even now, he may (pun intended) play a perfect set, but I prefer a few minutes of magic from Ritchie, even if interspersed with odd moments.
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Niji - just one thing: David and Bob both play/ed in BN, but never together, they were there at different times.



That is correct, I thought they might have played together but they were never in the same lineup. But at least they can read Blackmore and he knows what to expect from them. They have individually played with Blackmore for several years.
I also have to point out that I think the backing band is solid. You may not like the style of these players but that's another thing. During all concerts Ritchie has been the weakest link...and it's like he can't even fake it. And I certainly wouldn't blame a 73 year old for taking short cuts.
I don't know how many times I've heard him claim how easy it is to play the electric guitar...you just crank up the amp and make noise. So why isn't he doing it then?



How old is Jeff Beck? He doesn`t play sloppy shows as far as I can tell?





Jeff Beck is a great player, but in a completely different style, much more compatible with old age.



A better comparison might be Brian May, 71 years old I believe and still plays amazing live. Nails all the solos, and does a really extended guitar solo in all shows. A stark comparison with RB.




interesting that you bring up Brian May. Together with RB, my all time favourite guitar player.

Overall, Brian can't touch Ritchie in terms of technique and pace. At least up until more recent years.

RB's acoustic playing has alot to do with how he plays nowadays. Having said that; RB has played constantly since the 60s. There are not many years where he has not put out an album/done extensive touring. That alone will keep your chops somehow intact.

Brian May on the other hand, has played very little compared to RB. From 1986-2005 he did a grand total of 2 solo tours. He has done alot of studio work/guesting, but in a live setting he did very little from Queen's last tour in 1986 until they teamed up with Paul Rodgers. Since then, they have toured on a fairly regular basis, and he does indeed nail his parts.
I think it comes down to this; rehearsals.
Brian May is a perfectionist who takes his job very seriously. I don't think he would go on stage if he knew he couldn't deliver what the fans expect. I know they do extensive rehearsals before tours, and I think that has everything to do with it.

now; how bad is RB's health? I guess he'll never talk about it. But I wouldn't be surprised if it causes him problems in terms of his playing. Couple that with the fact that most of his old signature parts are very demaning to play, AND couple that with the fact he does NOT seems to be bothered with rehearsals - that's why he is less capable now than what he was.
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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.
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This discussion about RB not playing like he did in the old days is getting very boring slowly. It's going nowhere.
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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.



I was about to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

Who knows what health issues these guys have at their ages? It's obvious from watching Ritchie lifting the guitar up during the set that he has issues with his back and possibly neck.

I'm happy to take it for what it is, and cast a less critical eye over it than I would have done when both he and I were younger.

Musicians of that generation will be gone before too long and I value the chances I have to see them perform.



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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.



I was about to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

Who knows what health issues these guys have at their ages? It's obvious from watching Ritchie lifting the guitar up during the set that he has issues with his back and possibly neck.

I'm happy to take it for what it is, and cast a less critical eye over it than I would have done when both he and I were younger.

Musicians of that generation will be gone before too long and I value the chances I have to see them perform.




Excellent point. When I was a teenager I played guitar in a local band (badly). My youngest daughter has been having guitar lessons for last 12 months now (she is now seven) and I fetched my old guitar/amp etc. from my parents to give to her for when she is older. I could barely pick up the guitar, it is heavier than I could ever have imagined.
I am over 20 years younger that RB, much of his current playing style/ability must be at least in part due to this. I have had a history of back problems since my early 20's, I doubt if I could hold the guitar for any length of time, much less play it.
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I'm 48 and despite having neck surgery, I can still throw a Strat around. When I play my Les Paul however, I'm afraid the rest of me is going to go with it emoticon

Ritchie mentions numerous health issues in the dvd for MIR2, which I mean after 50 years of walking the boards I'd be surprised if he didn't have neck, back and knee issues. Eddie Van Halen had hip replacement surgery back in the 90s. Dave Mustaine and Jason Newstead had the same neck surgery I did and they're all 15-20 years younger than Ritchie. When you consider how physical RB would get during shows, its no wonder why he has the issues he does now.
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OMG guys the man is 73 !!! yes 73!!! ie an age where most people (unless they are very lucky) have become plagued with various illnesses and issues.Comparing him to other 70+ guitarists (which on the surface seems reasonable) is also futile, in that these guys may or may not have the same issues, or they play in styles that are easier to maintain as the years roll along.We are all human and all age at different rates ,many of Blackers peers are already DEAD!!Can he play like he did in the past?? No absolutely not, but pointing to others of that age that do still play close to what they did in their prime is folly, they are not him!
The fact is RB isn't close to what he was for whatever reason?None of which any of us actually know for sure?He is still out there playing though and and as i said i enjoy some of what he still does, he is still uniquely Blackmore.



all those criteria you could apply to Gillan but that doesn't stop you piling into him!

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The difference being that IG lost a lot of his voice a) before he even turned 40, and b) probably because of lifestyle, rather than wear and tear.
It is, however, true that they still do now whatever they can, both of them. In 2018, honestly we cannot expect much more from them in terms of commitment to music.
We compare Ritchie to Jeff Beck and Brian May, but we could just as well compare him to the many more who by now have disappeared, and neither play live, nor put out new music, let alone with two bands at a time.
And IG is the same: he tours with DP, records new music and guests on other people's records from time to time - and both of them could, from any angle you look at it, just spend time with the family.
Happy to go tonight to a gig with TMIB - these times will not come back, so let's enjoy it while we can!
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I still think that the main problem is that RB quit playin Rock and roll for 20 years, and that's where and when he lost his edge.

Had he continued to play R'n'R once in a while he'd be just as able as Brian May, Jeff Beck, Tony Iommi and all the other guys from his generation.

He simply lost his edge by playing the minstrel in the pink castles surrounded by troubadours and princesses!

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