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Niji - just one thing: David and Bob both play/ed in BN, but never together, they were there at different times.



That is correct, I thought they might have played together but they were never in the same lineup. But at least they can read Blackmore and he knows what to expect from them. They have individually played with Blackmore for several years.
I also have to point out that I think the backing band is solid. You may not like the style of these players but that's another thing. During all concerts Ritchie has been the weakest link...and it's like he can't even fake it. And I certainly wouldn't blame a 73 year old for taking short cuts.
I don't know how many times I've heard him claim how easy it is to play the electric guitar...you just crank up the amp and make noise. So why isn't he doing it then?
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Niji - just one thing: David and Bob both play/ed in BN, but never together, they were there at different times.



That is correct, I thought they might have played together but they were never in the same lineup. But at least they can read Blackmore and he knows what to expect from them. They have individually played with Blackmore for several years.
I also have to point out that I think the backing band is solid. You may not like the style of these players but that's another thing. During all concerts Ritchie has been the weakest link...and it's like he can't even fake it. And I certainly wouldn't blame a 73 year old for taking short cuts.
I don't know how many times I've heard him claim how easy it is to play the electric guitar...you just crank up the amp and make noise. So why isn't he doing it then?



NIji: I agree totally the backing band are absolutely fine and despite people saying they are rubbish, it's just simply not the case. David Keith has come in for a lot of criticism, but he's totally solid. Cozy Powell he isn't but so what, still doing a great job.

Blackmore is totally the one with some issue, either it's medical, physical or something else, like too much booze, but he's really not playing at anything like his level. As you say he's not even doing to well at faking it.

TBH it's sad to watch in many ways. He seems in Finalnd to be having more fun, but then again, he's passing the solo spots to the bass and keyboard in things like Mistreated and 16th Centuary Greensleeves and maybe others. It introduces variation, which he's clearly liking, but equally I suspect people had hoped to see him play these solos. At 73 I suspect his fingers just don't do what they used to, no matter how he wants them to.

As ever some great bits( tho very few ) and some horrendous bits on this tour so far. Audiences seem to be loving it however, so it's a success all round at that level.

Its great to see it on YouTube, but I'm glad I'm not there in person thats for sure.
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There are clearly some issues, but I think that both the Piter and the Helsinki shows were quite good, in terms of what Ritchie contributed - I have only heard some songs, but he seemed much more into it, which meant that the solos had more direction; take Stargazer in Helsinki - all slide work, but it has some structure and tension...I liked it very much.

The strange thing is that he is erratic like in the old days - although in the old days it was a matter or personality and tantrums, now of whether he feels well and into it or not. But the 2018 shows, Moscow aside, are another step forward for the band overall and perhaps, by the time we have seen the other two, also for Ritchie.

Makes you wonder how much better it could have been, had they decided to do even only a 10-15 shows tour, instead of starting from scratch every handful of shows...but then again, I am very happy he's doing it.
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There are clearly some issues, but I think that both the Piter and the Helsinki shows were quite good, in terms of what Ritchie contributed - I have only heard some songs, but he seemed much more into it, which meant that the solos had more direction; take Stargazer in Helsinki - all slide work, but it has some structure and tension...I liked it very much.

The strange thing is that he is erratic like in the old days - although in the old days it was a matter or personality and tantrums, now of whether he feels well and into it or not. But the 2018 shows, Moscow aside, are another step forward for the band overall and perhaps, by the time we have seen the other two, also for Ritchie.

Makes you wonder how much better it could have been, had they decided to do even only a 10-15 shows tour, instead of starting from scratch every handful of shows...but then again, I am very happy he's doing it.



Looking at how these shows have unfolded I'm not certain Blackmore could handle 10-15 dates without large rest gaps in-between. He's got some issues there I think which are making it hard for him to play as well as he'd probably like. Seems sometimes he's better than others, sometimes you can see him struggle, which isn't pleasant to see and there are some parts where he clearly forgets what comes next, which is worrying for him!! .

As before some magic moments and some pretty dire stuff too, but the audience like it, so that makes it a success.
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Well, they would have had to put a full couple of weeks off in the middle of the tour for sure, but it would have been vastly different than putting 10 months as they have currently done. It's a situation where they have to revisit the show from the start every time...from one year to the other, although band members have stayed the same, the crew changes, the organization, and even players need to re-acquaint themselves...and even if it takes one or two shows to get it to work better, it's 20-40 pch of the tour we're talking.

I don't want to overstate any issues he may have, because I think that in general terms for a 73 YO he looks in good form - unfortunately for him, we don't see him in a granddad capacity, but doing something which is based on speed, dexterity, nimbleness...the polar opposite of what comes natural to a guy of his age. Let's hope we all get to 73, and then do a contest where we all play the HS solo...:-)

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For everyone who thinks Ritchie's thingers can't do proper runs on the guitar anymore should check out this video at 4:43 minutes:



I think he still can do it, but he doesn't want to do it anymore all the time like in the old days. Today it's not about speed anymore for him, more about a good melody.



Can`t see the links you are posting. RB was saying he was done with running up and down the neck fast in interviews from the early 80`s, and even back then he was referring to being done with it years before, in the early to mid 70`s maybe? He definitely got melodic in Rainbow, on all the albums.

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Niji - just one thing: David and Bob both play/ed in BN, but never together, they were there at different times.



That is correct, I thought they might have played together but they were never in the same lineup. But at least they can read Blackmore and he knows what to expect from them. They have individually played with Blackmore for several years.
I also have to point out that I think the backing band is solid. You may not like the style of these players but that's another thing. During all concerts Ritchie has been the weakest link...and it's like he can't even fake it. And I certainly wouldn't blame a 73 year old for taking short cuts.
I don't know how many times I've heard him claim how easy it is to play the electric guitar...you just crank up the amp and make noise. So why isn't he doing it then?



How old is Jeff Beck? He doesn`t play sloppy shows as far as I can tell?

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Jeff Beck is a year older.
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Niji - just one thing: David and Bob both play/ed in BN, but never together, they were there at different times.



That is correct, I thought they might have played together but they were never in the same lineup. But at least they can read Blackmore and he knows what to expect from them. They have individually played with Blackmore for several years.
I also have to point out that I think the backing band is solid. You may not like the style of these players but that's another thing. During all concerts Ritchie has been the weakest link...and it's like he can't even fake it. And I certainly wouldn't blame a 73 year old for taking short cuts.
I don't know how many times I've heard him claim how easy it is to play the electric guitar...you just crank up the amp and make noise. So why isn't he doing it then?



How old is Jeff Beck? He doesn`t play sloppy shows as far as I can tell?





Jeff Beck is a great player, but in a completely different style, much more compatible with old age.
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Niji - just one thing: David and Bob both play/ed in BN, but never together, they were there at different times.



That is correct, I thought they might have played together but they were never in the same lineup. But at least they can read Blackmore and he knows what to expect from them. They have individually played with Blackmore for several years.
I also have to point out that I think the backing band is solid. You may not like the style of these players but that's another thing. During all concerts Ritchie has been the weakest link...and it's like he can't even fake it. And I certainly wouldn't blame a 73 year old for taking short cuts.
I don't know how many times I've heard him claim how easy it is to play the electric guitar...you just crank up the amp and make noise. So why isn't he doing it then?



How old is Jeff Beck? He doesn`t play sloppy shows as far as I can tell?





Jeff Beck is a great player, but in a completely different style, much more compatible with old age.



A better comparison might be Brian May, 71 years old I believe and still plays amazing live. Nails all the solos, and does a really extended guitar solo in all shows. A stark comparison with RB.

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