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We now know, apart from RB, and maybe Roger (royalties from Rainbow having been pouring in since 79) the other members of DP weren’t that well off when they came to reform so despite protestations definitely the prime motivation.

Clearly the tour was mega successful, (they'd be on % of merch etc, and gate presumably?) and the LP sold well. if the deal was reported to be circa £10m for 4 LPs, in those days what kind of return do you think the guys would have made?


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It was a nice time. Some really, really good shows, some crappy ones and mostly a bunch decent shows in between.

I think that Gillan was the one who needed it the most. Ritchie kept pretty busy, as did Roger, Jon and IP, be it Rainbow, Whitesnake or whatever projects that they worked on. Gillan, though, had just finished sticking it to his old band-mates, did the ill-advised Sabbath stint and generally had very little to show for it. Amazing, with the popularity of 'Gillan' and all, especially in the UK and Japan. You can still hear the animosity in McCoy and Towns when they speak about it. emoticon

Either way, I enjoyed the shows that I saw in Detroit and Toledo, among the best of the MKIIb era.
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We now know, apart from RB, and maybe Roger (royalties from Rainbow having been pouring in since 79) the other members of DP weren’t that well off when they came to reform so despite protestations definitely the prime motivation.

Clearly the tour was mega successful, (they'd be on % of merch etc, and gate presumably?) and the LP sold well. if the deal was reported to be circa £10m for 4 LPs, in those days what kind of return do you think the guys would have made?



I believe the original deal was for 5 albums, which they completed by making Nobody Perfect as a double album and the compilation Under The Gun which enabled them to move labels.
At the time the rumours were flying but the one that received the least arguments was that they received £2M each for the re-union. Of course they made plenty more from the sales of tickets/merchandise/album sales etc. once they were back together.
Before the re-union I would imagine that only RB was comfortably well off. RG was making money from Rainbow and as a songwriter would be entitled to credit for sales but JL and IP were hired guns in Whitesnake so were on a flat fee.
IG was the one in most need of the re-union. Gillan only sold in the UK and that doesn't keep a band on the road. The Sabbath affair was mostly to try to keep the bailiffs away and of course the rest of Gillan were left penniless when they split.
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We now know, apart from RB, and maybe Roger (royalties from Rainbow having been pouring in since 79) the other members of DP weren’t that well off when they came to reform so despite protestations definitely the prime motivation.

Clearly the tour was mega successful, (they'd be on % of merch etc, and gate presumably?) and the LP sold well. if the deal was reported to be circa £10m for 4 LPs, in those days what kind of return do you think the guys would have made?



I believe the original deal was for 5 albums, which they completed by making Nobody Perfect as a double album and the compilation Under The Gun which enabled them to move labels.
At the time the rumours were flying but the one that received the least arguments was that they received £2M each for the re-union. Of course they made plenty more from the sales of tickets/merchandise/album sales etc. once they were back together.
Before the re-union I would imagine that only RB was comfortably well off. RG was making money from Rainbow and as a songwriter would be entitled to credit for sales but JL and IP were hired guns in Whitesnake so were on a flat fee.
IG was the one in most need of the re-union. Gillan only sold in the UK and that doesn't keep a band on the road. The Sabbath affair was mostly to try to keep the bailiffs away and of course the rest of Gillan were left penniless when they split.



I believe that 'Gillan' was pretty popular in Europe and Japan. The problem was trying to break into the large US market. Either way, IG left his band-mates in the lurch. Joining Sabbath not only killed his voice, but totally surprised and angered the former 'Gillan' members. Rightfully so. He should have paid them some money from the reunion to at least make up for screwing them. emoticon

I believe that Lord and Paice were probably doing enough to more than get by. Their reputations and talent had them in demand, I'm sure.
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Suggest Lord and Paige mainly existing on past royalties and investment, DC famously didn't pay them much in WS
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Suggest Lord and Paige mainly existing on past royalties and investment, DC famously didn't pay them much in WS



Would it really be DCs decision how much they were paid?Wouldn't it be the managers ie John Colettas role?
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Personally i don't think they should have bothered with the reunion, it was about 5 years too late IMHO .They became a parody of their former glories IMHO especially Blackmore and Gillan.
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Personally i don't think they should have bothered with the reunion, it was about 5 years too late IMHO .They became a parody of their former glories IMHO especially Blackmore and Gillan.



You could be right. I think that they started out inspired, but as Gillan's voice started to fade, Ritchie started to check out. On the HOBL tour, Gillan's voice seemed to have recovered, I think due to surgery of some sort. I think that his voice sounded pretty good on the live stuff for a while, but he started to falter once again, among other things, resulting in his dismissal.

You are probably correct on the timing. They should have discussed a reunion when Ritchie sat in on a couple of his shows. Barring that, a rested, no-Sabbath Gillan probably would have made the reunion much better.
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We now know, apart from RB, and maybe Roger (royalties from Rainbow having been pouring in since 79) the other members of DP weren’t that well off when they came to reform so despite protestations definitely the prime motivation.

Clearly the tour was mega successful, (they'd be on % of merch etc, and gate presumably?) and the LP sold well. if the deal was reported to be circa £10m for 4 LPs, in those days what kind of return do you think the guys would have made?



I believe the original deal was for 5 albums, which they completed by making Nobody Perfect as a double album and the compilation Under The Gun which enabled them to move labels.
At the time the rumours were flying but the one that received the least arguments was that they received £2M each for the re-union. Of course they made plenty more from the sales of tickets/merchandise/album sales etc. once they were back together.
Before the re-union I would imagine that only RB was comfortably well off. RG was making money from Rainbow and as a songwriter would be entitled to credit for sales but JL and IP were hired guns in Whitesnake so were on a flat fee.
IG was the one in most need of the re-union. Gillan only sold in the UK and that doesn't keep a band on the road. The Sabbath affair was mostly to try to keep the bailiffs away and of course the rest of Gillan were left penniless when they split.



I believe that 'Gillan' was pretty popular in Europe and Japan. The problem was trying to break into the large US market. Either way, IG left his band-mates in the lurch. Joining Sabbath not only killed his voice, but totally surprised and angered the former 'Gillan' members. Rightfully so. He should have paid them some money from the reunion to at least make up for screwing them. emoticon

I believe that Lord and Paice were probably doing enough to more than get by. Their reputations and talent had them in demand, I'm sure.



Big (ish) in Japan, less so in Europe. In the UK and Europe they were a hall/club band, in the US a bar band. I am sure they never made a lot of money, and history suggests that the members of the band made nothing.

Both IP & JL were on a flat rate in WS. Again WS made no money until 1987.
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Suggest Lord and Paige mainly existing on past royalties and investment, DC famously didn't pay them much in WS



I would guess this is correct, both would have been earning more from royalties than the set wage from WS.
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