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Exactly. The idea of going to see a band was that you went to listen and watch them.
Many bands play new songs live before they record them, fine tune them on stage.
And Genesis for example used to play nearly all of the latest album, and most of the one before. So that way they got to be playing new music live all the time rather than the classic songs from the 70's.
If not then it turns out that every tour has the same core songs and people then get fed up of hearing them and the band get fed up playing them.
In DP case it doesn't appear that the bend are fed up playing the classics.

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In the late 60ies and early 70ies you didn't have to know any song of the band before you went to a concert. You jusst enjoyed the joy if it was done by talented artists. So they were able to play 30 minute versions of Wring that neck or Mandrake root.



That was true about bands in the 70's. You may have been familiar with them from FM radio, which was excellent back then, but you didn't have any of their albums. Young people couldn't afford to buy too many albums back then. The shows were great and the memories would probably make you a fan even if you didn't have any of their stuff.
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Interesting conversation about playing of material the audience doesn't know. I went to see The Neil Morse Band on the Thursday before I saw DP. While I knew Neil from his time in Spock's Beard, I did not know a single note of his solo stuff. He played his new double cd from start from finish. And it was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. It totally blew me away, I would call it a prog masterpiece. So it isn't about knowing or not knowing the material.

Here is the problem. While I own, and listen, to the new DP albums, and they are decent, when you put it in a set list with the far stronger original material, it pales by comparision. It is far more mid-rempo, not uptempo like the other material. It is not as heavy, not as hard. It brings the set down. If the material rocked as hard as what preceeded it, it would not have that effect.

On its own, it is fine. But it just didn't hold up on the mix.
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Interesting conversation about playing of material the audience doesn't know. I went to see The Neil Morse Band on the Thursday before I saw DP. While I knew Neil from his time in Spock's Beard, I did not know a single note of his solo stuff. He played his new double cd from start from finish. And it was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. It totally blew me away, I would call it a prog masterpiece. So it isn't about knowing or not knowing the material.

Here is the problem. While I own, and listen, to the new DP albums, and they are decent, when you put it in a set list with the far stronger original material, it pales by comparision. It is far more mid-rempo, not uptempo like the other material. It is not as heavy, not as hard. It brings the set down. If the material rocked as hard as what preceeded it, it would not have that effect.

On its own, it is fine. But it just didn't hold up on the mix.


I had a similar situation with Sammy Hagar here in Toledo. I knew some of his solo stuff from radio, but I was way more familiar with his Montrose era. It was an excellent show. Krokus opened and they were smokin'. Didn't know much of their stuff, either. Great performances from both.

As for the newer Purple stuff, I would have to go back and listen to the Morse-era albums to re-familiarize myself with the tunes. I don't have to do that with with the classic DP. I can't see the casual fan who goes to see the DP that they remember from their youth caring about the newer stuff. A couple of the newer tunes here and there may be OK, but they want to hear the classics.
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Here is the problem. While I own, and listen, to the new DP albums, and they are decent, when you put it in a set list with the far stronger original material, it pales by comparision. It is far more mid-rempo, not uptempo like the other material. It is not as heavy, not as hard. It brings the set down. If the material rocked as hard as what preceeded it, it would not have that effect.

On its own, it is fine. But it just didn't hold up on the mix.




But that new material should NOT be as heavy or as hard as the old one. That´s the point - Deep Purple changed a bit, they are not band with that In Rock type of sound anymore - which is good thing actually! Black Sabbath´s 13 perfectly showed why, it´s one of the most boring second rate "let´s recreate our old style" type of records I´ve ever heard.
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Here is the problem. While I own, and listen, to the new DP albums, and they are decent, when you put it in a set list with the far stronger original material, it pales by comparision. It is far more mid-rempo, not uptempo like the other material. It is not as heavy, not as hard. It brings the set down. If the material rocked as hard as what preceeded it, it would not have that effect.

On its own, it is fine. But it just didn't hold up on the mix.




But that new material should NOT be as heavy or as hard as the old one. That´s the point - Deep Purple changed a bit, they are not band with that In Rock type of sound anymore - which is good thing actually! Black Sabbath´s 13 perfectly showed why, it´s one of the most boring second rate "let´s recreate our old style" type of records I´ve ever heard.



It doesn't have to be heavy or hard. It just has to be exciting, which almost all of the new Purple isn't, especially live. They are basically a nice listen, but not much else. I think that some of the tunes off Purpendicular could be good live as well as a tune or two off Bananas or ROTD. For the most part, though, no. emoticon
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This has been a common fault with DP since the PS tour in 84/85. As I said before, the HOBL tour was the perfect time to drop stuff like CIT, ST, SKOW, HS and replace them with new numbers. Then re-visit the 70's albums and play some stuff that they could do justice to, and hadn't been played before.
Failing to freshen the setlist was a bad mistake and allowed the band to stagnate.
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As I said before, the HOBL tour was the perfect time to drop stuff like CIT, ST, SKOW, HS and replace them with new numbers.


With which new numbers should they have replaced them in 1987? For me, HOBL was the weakest DP cum Blackmore album ever. Perfect Strangers had more songs working well live, but it wouldn't have been an option to drop the classics for the first tour after the reunion. The S&M songs weren't a sustainable option for obvious reasons, TBRO wasn't much better than HOBL (except Anya and the title track), so for me the line-up change to Steve Morse was the best opportunity to drop the classics. There were several new songs which worked well live, and there was a new guitarist - an excellent opportunity to drop the worn-out classics.


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As I said before, the HOBL tour was the perfect time to drop stuff like CIT, ST, SKOW, HS and replace them with new numbers.


With which new numbers should they have replaced them in 1987? For me, HOBL was the weakest DP cum Blackmore album ever. Perfect Strangers had more songs working well live, but it wouldn't have been an option to drop the classics for the first tour after the reunion. The S&M songs weren't a sustainable option for obvious reasons, TBRO wasn't much better than HOBL (except Anya and the title track), so for me the line-up change to Steve Morse was the best opportunity to drop the classics. There were several new songs which worked well live, and there was a new guitarist - an excellent opportunity to drop the worn-out classics.





Exactly, the HOBL should have been the tour to drop certain songs, but they kept almost the sane set as PS.
By the time of TBRO it was the same again. Great playing on that tour, but they were just playing the same songs. SM joining saw lots of 70s songs that had rarely been played and totally shaking the set up.
Sadly the last few tours have reverted to type which both a shame, and a waste.
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Why "exactly"? Did you really understand my post? I asked with which songs they should have replaced the classics. For me, there were no suitable songs in 1987 to do that. I agree that basically it's a good idea to drop the old songs some years after the reunion, but to do that you need new songs good enough to replace the classics - and for me, the HOBL songs weren't.
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